Might I be autistic? help and opinions are appreciated
redrobin62 wrote:
Hi Hounds. I know this isn't the forum for it, but since you're the only person I've encountered from Israel in a long time, this might be my only chance to ask.
I prefer foreign language films over Hollywood's because Hollywood is all about making money and their ridiculous happy stories are fake to the point of inane so I avoid them like the plague.
All the Palestine-Israel films I've seen paint the Israelis as the bad guys and the Palestinians as simply trying to gain their social rights. The Palestinians live in squalor and fear of the Israel police while the Israelis try their best to live with this conflict even though they know that, at any time, one of their malls can go up in flames.
Are these depictions accurate or is it exaggerated for a world audience? Thanks.
I prefer foreign language films over Hollywood's because Hollywood is all about making money and their ridiculous happy stories are fake to the point of inane so I avoid them like the plague.
All the Palestine-Israel films I've seen paint the Israelis as the bad guys and the Palestinians as simply trying to gain their social rights. The Palestinians live in squalor and fear of the Israel police while the Israelis try their best to live with this conflict even though they know that, at any time, one of their malls can go up in flames.
Are these depictions accurate or is it exaggerated for a world audience? Thanks.
They are being oppressed and there's definitely a rough occupation around, however, coming from a left wing supporter, things are definitely exaggerated in the world wide media. Israel is no terror organization unlike Hamas. When Hamas attacks, Israel will attack as well. Israel does not attack without a justified cause, Israel usually attacks when there's an attack from Hamas. Israel does notify citizens before attacking, although I do not justify any kind of attack generally. Hundreds die in wars no doubt, but they are not attacked at any moment.
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Hounds wrote:
StarTrekker wrote:
Your description sounds a lot like autism. I'm curious as to what you're ashamed or embarrassed by, concerning the notion of being properly diagnosed. Your profile indicates that you're from Israel; do you think it will be difficult to find someone competent enough to diagnose autism in adults? Have you spoken to your family about your suspicions?
Despite what you were taught as a child, Israel is not a 3rd world country.
There are plenty of psychiatrists and clinical psychologists, however I am concerned being misdiagnosed.
I am a young female after all, they might just throw BPD at me after 20 mins as it is the easiest thing to do.
I am ashamed of sitting in front of a stranger, talking about my private life.
Apologies, I intended no offence. I know Israel has plenty of psychologists/psychiatrists, the question becomes whether you can find one skilled in diagnosing autistic adults, which is difficult to do no matter what country you live in. BPD and ASD are significantly different disorders; the former is a mood regulation disability, the latter, a social one. I've heard of doctors misdiagnosing ASD as ADHD, OCD, and sometimes learning disabilities, but never BPD. I could be wrong though; just because I've never heard of it doesn't mean it's never happened.
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StarTrekker wrote:
Hounds wrote:
StarTrekker wrote:
Your description sounds a lot like autism. I'm curious as to what you're ashamed or embarrassed by, concerning the notion of being properly diagnosed. Your profile indicates that you're from Israel; do you think it will be difficult to find someone competent enough to diagnose autism in adults? Have you spoken to your family about your suspicions?
Despite what you were taught as a child, Israel is not a 3rd world country.
There are plenty of psychiatrists and clinical psychologists, however I am concerned being misdiagnosed.
I am a young female after all, they might just throw BPD at me after 20 mins as it is the easiest thing to do.
I am ashamed of sitting in front of a stranger, talking about my private life.
Apologies, I intended no offence. I know Israel has plenty of psychologists/psychiatrists, the question becomes whether you can find one skilled in diagnosing autistic adults, which is difficult to do no matter what country you live in. BPD and ASD are significantly different disorders; the former is a mood regulation disability, the latter, a social one. I've heard of doctors misdiagnosing ASD as ADHD, OCD, and sometimes learning disabilities, but never BPD. I could be wrong though; just because I've never heard of it doesn't mean it's never happened.
The point is, I'm worried the psychiatrist will be "ignorant" won't even ask the right questions. I know the first few questions are, do you have friends, do/did you self harm? idk im scared a psychiatrist will just throw bpd at me without even a proper diagnosis because im a young woman.
redrobin62 wrote:
You probably are because what other kind of person would make a post that resembles the Great Wall of China?
I was JUST THINKING that- dear god the post length alone I think qualifies you whole-heartedly for an autistic diagnosis (just joking !)
Really though, I don't know an NT person could care enough to write that much about social skills- it just isn't salient or important enough to them.
Also, "excessive/unnecessary detail" I was told by the professional that diagnosed my friend was a "tell-tale" sign of autism, NTs don't do that (so they tell me).
I am flamingly autistic, but people literally say: "you seem so normal" to 4 mins later "omg, what's wrong with you?! What do you care???! !! ! Stop doing XYZ"
But then deny that I could "possibly be" autistic.
Yep, okay ppl.
I never "Professionally" got diagnosed (as in paid money for it) but have been told by professionals that know me or have come into contact with me that I'm "very typically autistic". So, I never cared about a "proper diagnosis".
But I worry in other ways how others that don't understand a thing about autism would react...
League_Girl wrote:
Hounds wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Well you could have it and not all of it has to fit you. You only need to fit enough to have it like the social and communication part and you do have the narrow interests and sensory issues so that is about all you need to fit the label. You didn't mention how good you are with non verbal communication or social cues and reading people which is also a requirement for the label.
That's the thing, since 4 months ago it was like I did not know myself at all, I never noticed these things, I just lived my life as they were. Like all of it is normal.
About non verbal communication, I still am not knowledgeable enough about myself, I know I am not good at that I am never sure about things that are not obvious. But you see, I can't base it off things that happened to me because I don't know well enough. Ugh that's just complicated, you know? it's funny how I care so much for clinical psychology and I enjoy analyzing yet I am clueless about myself. There's a lot more to learn I suppose.
A way to tell is if it seems like other people act like they can read other peoples minds and know how they are feeling without those people saying anything. Another thing to tell is if you think someone is mad at you or annoyed and then they deny it when you call them out on it. But then again people can just lie and say they're not even though they are. Think if the past like if you were ever accused of anything like showing off or laughing at someone or if anyone kept telling you to smile or asking you what's wrong when you felt fine. Another way to tell is if you were watching a movie and another person could tell how that character is feeling and you didn't know that character felt that way. Sometimes it takes other people around you to figure this stuff out before you finally connect the dots. Then the label seems to explain your childhood and your moments and incidents and you now think 'ah ha, I thought those kids were just trying to get me into trouble and trying to get me upset and being mean to me but now I think it was my facial expression that was off so they thought I was laughing at him.' And also "ah ha, I think I might have misread situations because I can remember being picked on and I would be the one in trouble for getting upset and the other kids were off the hook, but now I think they were just teasing playfully and I took it personally because I thought they were being mean to me. No wonder I thought the adults would side with the bullies. I was the bully but it was unintentional and they didn't know about autism.'
Also my advice would be to talk to your family and about your childhood and ask about the symptoms of autism and if you displayed those or not and if they ever noticed them.
Sorry for quoting you in such a delay but I just noticed this lol.
About me not using facial expressions, are you sure it has anything to do with being unable to read other people's expressions properly? or what are you trying to say, is it related to non verbal cues?
A year ago I was at a psychiatrist for other reasons, mainly depression and serious self harm and all that, I did not talk about anything mentioned in this post.
In his diagnosis he wrote (among other obvious things like social anxiety) "Hypomimia"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypomimia
Now, I definitely do not have hypomimia, but I suppose he just meant I do not use facial expressions.
I do not use facial expressions, rarely ever do I use any. About people telling me to smile, I've had many people do that, way too often.
But I don't know if it has anything to do with non verbal communication thing.
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I've heard of doctors misdiagnosing ASD as ADHD, OCD, and sometimes learning disabilities, but never BPD. I could be wrong though; just because I've never heard of it doesn't mean it's never happened.
By chance, I read just a few days ago that BPD is commonly misdiagnosed in cases of ASD.
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Hounds wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Hounds wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Well you could have it and not all of it has to fit you. You only need to fit enough to have it like the social and communication part and you do have the narrow interests and sensory issues so that is about all you need to fit the label. You didn't mention how good you are with non verbal communication or social cues and reading people which is also a requirement for the label.
That's the thing, since 4 months ago it was like I did not know myself at all, I never noticed these things, I just lived my life as they were. Like all of it is normal.
About non verbal communication, I still am not knowledgeable enough about myself, I know I am not good at that I am never sure about things that are not obvious. But you see, I can't base it off things that happened to me because I don't know well enough. Ugh that's just complicated, you know? it's funny how I care so much for clinical psychology and I enjoy analyzing yet I am clueless about myself. There's a lot more to learn I suppose.
A way to tell is if it seems like other people act like they can read other peoples minds and know how they are feeling without those people saying anything. Another thing to tell is if you think someone is mad at you or annoyed and then they deny it when you call them out on it. But then again people can just lie and say they're not even though they are. Think if the past like if you were ever accused of anything like showing off or laughing at someone or if anyone kept telling you to smile or asking you what's wrong when you felt fine. Another way to tell is if you were watching a movie and another person could tell how that character is feeling and you didn't know that character felt that way. Sometimes it takes other people around you to figure this stuff out before you finally connect the dots. Then the label seems to explain your childhood and your moments and incidents and you now think 'ah ha, I thought those kids were just trying to get me into trouble and trying to get me upset and being mean to me but now I think it was my facial expression that was off so they thought I was laughing at him.' And also "ah ha, I think I might have misread situations because I can remember being picked on and I would be the one in trouble for getting upset and the other kids were off the hook, but now I think they were just teasing playfully and I took it personally because I thought they were being mean to me. No wonder I thought the adults would side with the bullies. I was the bully but it was unintentional and they didn't know about autism.'
Also my advice would be to talk to your family and about your childhood and ask about the symptoms of autism and if you displayed those or not and if they ever noticed them.
Sorry for quoting you in such a delay but I just noticed this lol.
About me not using facial expressions, are you sure it has anything to do with being unable to read other people's expressions properly? or what are you trying to say, is it related to non verbal cues?
Yes I'm sure. If not, then I would wonder what would explain those moments then or if I am just crazy and imagining it all lol. Like had I been reading too much about Asperger's and then trying to make it fit me you know like if I am just exaggerating my symptoms. That is a fear that some people have when they discover ASD and wonder if they have it and start reading about it and learning the meanings of the symptoms.
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StarTrekker wrote:
Hounds wrote:
StarTrekker wrote:
Your description sounds a lot like autism. I'm curious as to what you're ashamed or embarrassed by, concerning the notion of being properly diagnosed. Your profile indicates that you're from Israel; do you think it will be difficult to find someone competent enough to diagnose autism in adults? Have you spoken to your family about your suspicions?
Despite what you were taught as a child, Israel is not a 3rd world country.
There are plenty of psychiatrists and clinical psychologists, however I am concerned being misdiagnosed.
I am a young female after all, they might just throw BPD at me after 20 mins as it is the easiest thing to do.
I am ashamed of sitting in front of a stranger, talking about my private life.
Apologies, I intended no offence. I know Israel has plenty of psychologists/psychiatrists, the question becomes whether you can find one skilled in diagnosing autistic adults, which is difficult to do no matter what country you live in. BPD and ASD are significantly different disorders; the former is a mood regulation disability, the latter, a social one. I've heard of doctors misdiagnosing ASD as ADHD, OCD, and sometimes learning disabilities, but never BPD. I could be wrong though; just because I've never heard of it doesn't mean it's never happened.
ha, I've been to a psychiatrist today, it was a 20 minutes meeting, didn't get the chance to talk about anything autism related I do like sensory sensitivity and repetitive behavior. All the psychiatrist asked was about my past like things I've been through, why I'm suicidal, depressed and have social anxiety. Guess what? a 19 yo female who is suicidal = immediate suspicion of BPD, he did not officially diagnose me with it as the meeting was very short but he wrote it down as he suspects it might be it. I knew it, I don't meet enough symptoms of BPD to be diagnosed with it, only one or two. I got a referral for another psychiatrist where it'll be longer and more accurate but it kinda proves it.
I have gone through depression and felt suicidal and no BPD. I guess because I was only 12 then and that can't be diagnosed in children that young. Youngest I've seen someone diagnosed with it was someone online and she said she was 17 when diagnosed so 17 is the youngest so far I know that can get the label.
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Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.
Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
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