Do you ever feel like a philosopher who can’t speak?

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11 May 2016, 6:29 pm

This is a cool way to explain it. And yes in my own way. For me it's not so much the words don't exist, but there's actually too many of them and I need to use metaphor to even try to explain things. I totally speak in parables when I'm trying to make a point and aren't quite sure how to do it. When I try I lose most people.

I did used to write stream of consciousness type stuff quite a bit and found it helped. If you can learn to write without thinking and just do it, it helps your ability to do so verbally. For me it did. Basically practicing the art of bull sh*****g on paper in a non conversational way.



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11 May 2016, 6:34 pm

Also have you ever tried just rambling to yourself, recording it, then going back and putting it all together?

When I was into writing, I'd make these same type of abstract connections. For me I found I could simplify the ideas enough to spout them out to be saved. Then at another time I could refine and expand on that initial burst so you don't have to try to get it all in before it leaves you, then you go back down the sinkhole to try and find it again, then get frustrated, then go further down after something else. At least that's what I end up doing.



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11 May 2016, 6:43 pm

beakybird wrote:
Also have you ever tried just rambling to yourself, recording it, then going back and putting it all together?

When I was into writing, I'd make these same type of abstract connections. For me I found I could simplify the ideas enough to spout them out to be saved. Then at another time I could refine and expand on that initial burst so you don't have to try to get it all in before it leaves you, then you go back down the sinkhole to try and find it again, then get frustrated, then go further down after something else. At least that's what I end up doing.


I believe you understand some of my biggest issues.


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12 May 2016, 6:35 am

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beakybird wrote:
Also have you ever tried just rambling to yourself, recording it, then going back and putting it all together?

When I was into writing, I'd make these same type of abstract connections. For me I found I could simplify the ideas enough to spout them out to be saved. Then at another time I could refine and expand on that initial burst so you don't have to try to get it all in before it leaves you, then you go back down the sinkhole to try and find it again, then get frustrated, then go further down after something else. At least that's what I end up doing.


I believe you understand some of my biggest issues.


I know I've always had a very unique way of making connections and more than not being able to gather it all, I've never been able to find a use for that thinking, and actually find it to be more of a detriment to normal living than a benefit. A curse and a blessing would be a good way to explain how I feel about it (you can ignore the religious connotation if you wish-- the saying has descriptive value).

This issue makes me feel simultaneously stupid and brilliant. Especially in light of the fact that so few people are around who'd even get the connections or see why they are valid. I mean, this s**t is all useless if nothing good or useful can come of it. I'm sure it can, but what?



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12 May 2016, 8:41 am

beakybird wrote:
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beakybird wrote:
Also have you ever tried just rambling to yourself, recording it, then going back and putting it all together?

When I was into writing, I'd make these same type of abstract connections. For me I found I could simplify the ideas enough to spout them out to be saved. Then at another time I could refine and expand on that initial burst so you don't have to try to get it all in before it leaves you, then you go back down the sinkhole to try and find it again, then get frustrated, then go further down after something else. At least that's what I end up doing.


I believe you understand some of my biggest issues.


I know I've always had a very unique way of making connections and more than not being able to gather it all, I've never been able to find a use for that thinking, and actually find it to be more of a detriment to normal living than a benefit. A curse and a blessing would be a good way to explain how I feel about it (you can ignore the religious connotation if you wish-- the saying has descriptive value).

This issue makes me feel simultaneously stupid and brilliant. Especially in light of the fact that so few people are around who'd even get the connections or see why they are valid. I mean, this s**t is all useless if nothing good or useful can come of it. I'm sure it can, but what?


I feel the same way. I’m an engineer and I use my thinking to solve problems. But, it also makes me crazy when I have too many thoughts in my head and I can’t communicate them. My thought process is rather detrimental to me having a “normal” life so yeah, I also consider it a blessing and a curse.


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12 May 2016, 10:50 am

Absolutely, I see connections in so many things socially it is hurting my heart where it looks to be leading. For me to explain it would sound insane to society since the mainstream thinks they know what they are doing is right, so I have chosen to keep my words and thoughts to myself so far. Even though History has shown us that mainstream thinking has been wrong in so many ways.



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12 May 2016, 7:54 pm

Yes, I've always felt this way. Sometimes, I draw my thoughts onto paper. Then I can use words to describe the picture, almost like I'm describing a painting's observable qualities. Also, I make charts with a lot of info, which show the patterns. Then, I describe the chart using words.

I've written an entire dissertation using these methods. I'm procrastinating finishing though, because in the defense, I'll have to speak answers to the committee. When people ask me a question, I can usually see an answer, but the translation into words takes quite a lot of time.



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13 May 2016, 3:01 am

fluter wrote:
When people ask me a question, I can usually see an answer, but the translation into words takes quite a lot of time.


I think that explains it succinctly. :)



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13 May 2016, 3:05 am

beakybird wrote:
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inmydreams wrote:
It IS crazy and cool!! I love the way my mind works - I can really enjoy it for its own sake - even if I can't impart it to anyone else. But at least we all understand what that feels like. We can acknowledge this stuff from a distance - I see us being a bit like giants, with our heads in the clouds, full of all this amazing stuff and watching everyone below, all in the thick of it, and yet we can only nod to each other. ☺️


Yes, yes! Nudge, nudge. Wink wink. Say no more. Say no more. A nods as good as a wink to blind bat.

Edit: Sorry, I couldn't help myself.


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13 May 2016, 3:22 am

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Gematron wrote:
This_Space_Intentionally_Left_Blank wrote:
inmydreams wrote:
It IS crazy and cool!! I love the way my mind works - I can really enjoy it for its own sake - even if I can't impart it to anyone else. But at least we all understand what that feels like. We can acknowledge this stuff from a distance - I see us being a bit like giants, with our heads in the clouds, full of all this amazing stuff and watching everyone below, all in the thick of it, and yet we can only nod to each other. ☺️


Yes, yes! Nudge, nudge. Wink wink. Say no more. Say no more. A nods as good as a wink to blind bat.


That's awesome to know that i'm not the only one. I love being in my mind especially when I have a lot of free time on my hands.


That is awesome to know I’m not the only one but I’m afraid of spending too much time in my head alone. I need other people there to check my logic for me sometimes. Also, I’m human and have a need to bond with others, I just suck at it, mostly my fault, but there it is.



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13 May 2016, 3:27 am

Damn Wrong Planet!! I wrote a really long post that I was thinking about SO carefully and when it went to the thing you have to tick to say you're not a robot it got lost :(

I haven't got the energy to try again right now but it was in response to the above message... I'll try later :(



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13 May 2016, 4:08 am

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Do you ever feel like a philosopher who can’t speak?


no. i feel like a sopho-phobic with the curse of the gab.



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13 May 2016, 4:47 am

inmydreams wrote:
Damn Wrong Planet!! I wrote a really long post that I was thinking about SO carefully and when it went to the thing you have to tick to say you're not a robot it got lost :(

I haven't got the energy to try again right now but it was in response to the above message... I'll try later :(


I know that sucks. A few cases of that happening will train you to write in MS Word then copy and paste into the forum.


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13 May 2016, 4:50 am

i think very many interesting thoughts that keep me occupied all day, but i have no need to tell them to people even if i knew how to translate them into words.
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14 May 2016, 5:35 am

Nope. My ideas are generally dumb or myopic.


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14 May 2016, 9:28 am

This is pretty much me. It's also the reason why I got into writing. It's a lot easier for me to get my thoughts out rather than let them build up. I often have to have my parents explain things for me, but they can't read my mind either. So, I also have my iPad to write things down as well.


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