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9CatMom
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02 May 2007, 8:57 pm

Jake,

I have read about this, too. Taller people are generally considered more competent in these areas. However, there is a catch. If two people are of equal height, the thinner candidate will usually get the job. It isn't perfect.



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02 May 2007, 9:11 pm

9CatMom wrote:
Jake,

I have read about this, too. Taller people are generally considered more competent in these areas. However, there is a catch. If two people are of equal height, the thinner candidate will usually get the job. It isn't perfect.


Yeah, that's a good point. I've also read about the tall people/intelligence thing, though. If anyone cared to make the study, they might also find out the same thing about thin people and intelligence... The point being that tall and slender people are probably given more opportunities, or rather encouragement to follow through on them, less likely to get depressed, etc etc. There is also a positive correlation between proper nourishment and height, though, which is thought to be why third world countries tend to have shorter people. Anyway, it's like they say, correlation doesn't imply causation, so short people needn't fret.

To the guy who started this thread, are you seriously expecting us to be able to help you with gene mapping and restriction enzymes? 8O Is this thread for real?



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02 May 2007, 9:36 pm

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Hello y'all, I'm conducting an independent research project for school that's 50% of my final grade.
For my project, I'll be taking individuals' DNA samples and recording the height of each person. I'm checking for the intelligence gene and seeing if there's an correlation between that gene (dysbindin-1 gene (DTNBP1)) and height since there is a positive correlation between height and intelligence.
I just wanted to know if anyone could help me with ordering supplies (e.g., what restriction enzymes and primers do I need, what procedure do I use for isolating the gene, cost, delivery time, and other ordering info) and offering general input.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. :)


There are some really STUPID people that are tall! There are some SMART people that are SHORT! Height and genes correlations aren't statistically significant since, if all things were equal, taller people would be smarter due to brain size and perspective! So your entire test is FLAWED! There are too many variables, and the basic assumption is clearly not true.

BTW I am over average height. 6' I WAS 6'1". I always considered myself average, but I am one of like the top 10 largest people I have seen at my last 3 clients, so I guess I'm up there. I'm smart, but I can tell you that perspective didn't help me because I often sat in back, and didn't care.

Steve



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03 May 2007, 5:49 am

9CatMom wrote:
Jake,

I have read about this, too. Taller people are generally considered more competent in these areas. However, there is a catch. If two people are of equal height, the thinner candidate will usually get the job. It isn't perfect.


And if both are of equal shape, then I guess that on average, the better looking one will be more likely to prosper.

I don't know the basis for these studies or how valid they were:

I guess that they showed that there existed a correlation between height and prosperity but even if a correlation was shown to exist, this does not necessarily mean that the link is between height and other peoples' perception of a person; it could be that the actual cause was due to confidence levels and that taller, thinner, better looking people are on average more confident then their shorter, fatter and uglier counterparts.

This to me seems like a more likely causation. So in essence, I think rather than worrying about your height affecting other peoples' perception of your intelligence/competence etc., it is probably more effective to worry about improving your confidence and the image that you project of yourself to other people.



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03 May 2007, 8:14 am

There is a correlation between low height and low intelligence level, but it relates to people with genetic disorders that affect both intelligence and growth.

Otherwise, I don't think intelligence and height correlate. Traits such as these are very likely to be polygenic, and dependent on nutrition and factors other than genetics.

I myself am relatively tall (5'6") and considered very smart in every area by most others (and they think I act socially stupid out of spite!!). I personally consider myself to just have excellent understanding in many areas, mainly academic. On the other hand, there is a mentally ret*d girl at my school, and she's taller than ME.



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03 May 2007, 8:51 am

Mushroom wrote:
There is a correlation between low height and low intelligence level, but it relates to people with genetic disorders that affect both intelligence and growth.

Otherwise, I don't think intelligence and height correlate. Traits such as these are very likely to be polygenic, and dependent on nutrition and factors other than genetics.

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Yeah two trends are known in the developed world current generations score higher on IQ test and they are taller than people just 100 years ago. That could mean nutrition
is a big factor.

I have not read any of the studies on this. But I have read lots of studies in general and the data will be something like(made up for example) people 1/4" taller than average
will be 2 points higher on an IQ test. Not some big meaningful numbers only a suggestion if all other factors are eliminated then the genes effecting that height increase and IQ boost maybe some how be passed in the same narrow part of DNA.



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03 May 2007, 9:00 am

Gee...I wonder what's going to be the next survey? Weight and Intelligence? I think that IQ varies throughout the human population reguardless of the height of each individual. How about Skin Colour and Intelligence? That will get a lot of people talking. :roll:



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03 May 2007, 9:11 am

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Gee...I wonder what's going to be the next survey? Weight and Intelligence? I think that IQ varies throughout the human population reguardless of the height of each individual. How about Skin Colour and Intelligence? That will get a lot of people talking. :roll:


They say the larger the breast the dumber the man :)



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03 May 2007, 9:12 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
Gee...I wonder what's going to be the next survey? Weight and Intelligence? I think that IQ varies throughout the human population reguardless of the height of each individual. How about Skin Colour and Intelligence? That will get a lot of people talking. :roll:


Yeah, just like "The Bell Curve" did.



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03 May 2007, 9:13 am

Yeah...and as we all know an objective IQ test defines intelligence. :roll: "Objectively" I'm most likely one of the dumbest humans in existence, yet I'm up there with the giants of intellect when I'm given an "objective" IQ test....

Logic don’t compute.



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03 May 2007, 10:20 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
Gee...I wonder what's going to be the next survey? Weight and Intelligence?


Well I have lost 8lbs in the past month and I don't feel noticibly more stupid/intelligent yet. :)



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03 May 2007, 10:58 am

IpsoRandomo wrote:
I just wanted to know if anyone could help me with ordering supplies (e.g., what restriction enzymes and primers do I need, what procedure do I use for isolating the gene, cost, delivery time, and other ordering info) and offering general input.


You need a geneticist for to tell you that, and I am not at all sure that this type of biotech has been developed to the point where you can realistically do it as a school project.

If the correlation between height and intelligence is real, it would not need to have a genetic basis. It could come from some people experiencing malnutrition in early childhood, which impairs both growth and intelligence. If so, you wouldn't see the correlation in a population without malnutrition, if you can find one.

Then there is the possibility that because taller people are often perceived as more intelligent, they have more opportunity to develop their intelligence (only something between a half and a quarter of the variation in intelligence can be explained by genetic factors), and you could get a correlation that way. This would not show up as a correlation between height and any gene correlated with intelligence.

As far as I know, there is no single 'intelligence gene'. Many genes contribute, each of them a little bit. So even if your correlation is real AND has a genetic basis, the gene you want to look at may not have anything to do with height.

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