Can autistic people still have imaginative play?

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18 May 2016, 2:21 pm

I guess so. I didn't play imaginatively as young as most children, but once I was five or so years old, I started to use my imagination.

I still thought it was more fun to line up and arrange my toys, though.

The symptoms of autism vary from person to person, so I don't think a lack of imaginary play is a requirement if you meet the main diagnostic criteria. (I haven't been diagnosed yet, though, so I don't know how this is considered in practice.)


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18 May 2016, 2:22 pm

When I was a preteen I would sometimes lie in my bed and imagine I was Sleeping Beauty about to be kissed. In the Disney movie when she opens her eyes she smiles at the prince but doesn't actually say anything. I thought that was so cool. Sometimes when I got up in the morning I would imagine I was a robot coming to life like in the old Astroboy anime I watched back then, slowly waking up and taking my first steps.

I would also role play a lot with my dolls and stuffed animals (I still do sometimes). Occasionally I actually came up with some original stuff that I later made into an illustrated "book" or a handmade comic. Since I was pretty clueless about socializing with kids my age I didn't have to worry about making any huge faux pas with my toys.

Why are these "doctors" still acting like it's the 1950's? but I did read about female aspies being more into doing this, and even being misdiagnosed as having schizophrenia, like I was.



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18 May 2016, 3:22 pm

ZombieBrideXD wrote:
I see questions like this a lot, it's like saying "I'm missing an ear, am I still human?"

There are some things that vary in the disability and there are other things that are more concrete.

Most psychologists agree that Social and Communication difficulties, Sensory processing disorder, Obsesive and repetitive behaviour and executive function disorder are quite concrete and are usually required for a diagnoses ( and I know people are going to argue and say "I don't have sensory problems and I'm autistic!" I'm just going by what my psychologist told me, I'm not disproving or invalidating anyone's diagnoses)

Things that vary are the ability to speak, liking and disliking other people, IQ levels, balance and coordination skills, and other things. Pretend play definitely varies.

It"s something that needs deeper evaluation such as what kind of pretend play.

Usually autistic people have difficulty or just do not play roles such as playing house, school or other things, basically re-enacting adults. This type of play requires the ability to think on the spot and work off peers in a social environment.

One thing autistic children do play is re-enacting television, movies, comics and video games. This form of play has scripts and a specific way of playing that is predictable and always the same.

Playing with toys, making them talk and doing things I'm actually not sure of, never asked or looked into it.

Most autistic children actually have a imaginary friend believe it or not, this is a form of pretend play.

So the short answer is yes; autistic people CAN and DO pretend play and it varies a lot.


That fits my memory of my childhood pretty well. I did a lot of pretend play but the only examples I can remember were basically shameless plagiarism from whatever TV shows I was obsessed with at the time. Very little originality. Even as an adult, a lot of what I create tends to come out as copying, so for example if I record a cover song I'll usually end up trying to make a carbon copy of the original track instead of creating a new arrangement, and my first reaction to other musicians' cover versions is usually annoyance that they've deviated from the original. It's only my adult awareness of this that gets me to rebel against it occasionally and to behave like an artist instead of a copying machine, and it takes quite an effort of will to override the natural tendencies of my brain wiring. One exception to the usual rule is song lyrics, where apart from the occasional legitimate borrowing of short phrases, it's all mine. So if this pretend play thing has any diagnostic power, I think it's in the level of originality and the degree of robotic copying.



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18 May 2016, 3:48 pm

When I was younger my imaginative play was mostly by myself. I would pretend that the treehouse is a space station, my house was a Mars base, the car was a space ship, and my jacket was a space suit. My imaginary would is something I came up with and pretended to be in on my own. I sometimes did it socially but not often.


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18 May 2016, 4:24 pm

mikeman7918 wrote:
When I was younger my imaginative play was mostly by myself. I would pretend that the treehouse is a space station, my house was a Mars base, the car was a space ship, and my jacket was a space suit. My imaginary would is something I came up with and pretended to be in on my own. I sometimes did it socially but not often.


My experiences were very similar but even these were very scripted. There must have been a protocol of some sort to be followed in how you behaved and communicated when in the space station? I mean, there couldn't be any horse play in the space station right?


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18 May 2016, 4:45 pm

I didn't make my dolls interact or do tea parties or anything like that, but I did have a pretend horse because I couldn't have a real one. I got the idea from kids who had imaginary friends.
He was a brown horse named buster and I used to walk him around the yard and comb his mane with an imaginary brush and feed him imaginary hey in my father's tool shed which became the barn.
I couldn't ride him because I couldn't sit on an imaginary horse.
When I was four the kids in the neighborhood used to play house on my porch and they always made me be the baby and all I had to do was sit there and suck my thumb because that's what I did anyway.



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18 May 2016, 5:55 pm

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My experiences were very similar but even these were very scripted. There must have been a protocol of some sort to be followed in how you behaved and communicated when in the space station? I mean, there couldn't be any horse play in the space station right?

I followed airlock protocols when going outside and prepared for undocking and reentry before going down from the tree house. It was indeed very scripted.


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18 May 2016, 8:20 pm

Thinking: What is pretend play? What is imaginary play? I´m not sure how to distinguish.

If pretend play is playing teaparty with dolls, I didn´t. If it means "cowboys and indians", I didn´t. If it is dressing up as "fine lady", I did.
If imaginary play would be playing doctor, using "mysterious" feet from moms sewingmachine, or "stone-age" with things I found in the field, I did. If I played "fantasy" imagining characters - I didn´t.


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19 May 2016, 2:00 am

When I was two I had a cat costume at I wore and pretend to be a cat, even to go so far as to eat cat food. Does this count? Lol I even pretend to be a wolf/dog for a LONG time in my childhood.

My imagination was a big escape for me, pretending to be animals, making houses and cars for my toys, talking to all my toys. I had an imaginary friend named mummy dude, he was a 6inch rubber mummy Halloween decoration, but I wasn't a child.. I was a teenager at the time. I still have imaginary friends technically.

I don't buy the pretend play thing anymore, I think we just play differently than non-autistic kids.


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19 May 2016, 2:08 am

I will say that I do not seem to get as involved in the online role playing as others in the discussion forum about the game.

I have actually been accused of lacking imagination and rather focusing on the mechanics of the game.

So whilst I do a lot of imaginative role playing, I seem to do it differently from NT's.



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19 May 2016, 3:13 am

i remember scooping, making small holes in some of the school's hills and sculpting small dams from the mud. i made up small towns around it that used the imagined artificial lake for power.

damn strong dams they were. i stood on them. they stayed.


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19 May 2016, 4:59 am

I could do it through projecting a personality (usually some exaggerated aspect of mental illness) onto a toy but I couldn't use my own body to pretend to be somebody else, that just seemed ridiculous. I don't watch films or drama serials because I can't see past the fact that it's a bunch of people pretending to be somebody else on a set.



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19 May 2016, 5:18 am

I done imaginative play as a child, and didn't have much trouble with imaginative play with my peers either.

What I had more trouble with was games like "hide and seek" or "tag", because if I lost the game I would cry or get frustrated. But at the same time, I would get frustrated when kids cheated or horseplayed.
So I got on better playing imaginative games like "mums and dads" or "schools", etc. Girls were easier to play imaginative games with than boys. Things like climbing trees or building dens were better to play with boys.

But when I was really young (about aged 5-7), the girls in my class only wanted to play horses every playtime at school, and nothing different. I usually ended up playing on my own because playing the same game of horses every day got boring for me. I didn't want to play with boys at that age because boys went through a silly phase of thinking girls were "full of cooties".


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19 May 2016, 5:35 am

"Creating" mysteriously magic worlds in small isolated habitats could be imaginative play, I guess.


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20 May 2016, 10:14 am

btbnnyr wrote:
Perhaps it is possible to have pretend play and display social cognition in pretend play, but not be able to do so in interactions with real people.


Oh, I did it in interactions with real people. If there was anything abnormal about my pretend play, it was that I did it more than other kids, or at least in situations where other kids didn't tend to pretend (ie in the middle of class time I'd decide I was a dog pretending to be human).

Just because on average autistic kids are less into pretend than NTs doesn't mean every single autistic person is less into pretend than NTs. We are all individuals.

And I'm not so sure that pretend play assessments are necessarily accurate. Unless you can ask the person what they are thinking, pretend play can be tough to spot sometimes. For example, when I was pretending to be a dog posing as human, from the outside the only sign was that I was using my hands clumsily and not turning my wrists. I've also had times where I just hold a toy while telling myself a story about it - if I couldn't talk, no one would have known I was making up a story when I'm just sitting holding a toy.

I did do plenty of more obvious pretend, but other autistic kids might only enjoy doing subtle pretend. And especially if they're too little or too verbally impaired to explain their thoughts, or if the study made no attempt to actually ask them, it would be tough to tell.

Plus, look at this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Z9BBxTpl4

He's NT, so the explanation that he's pretending to be a velociraptor is easy to infer. But what if he was a nonverbal autistic child, doing the exact same behavior? Most likely he'd be assumed to be stimming. And since stimming is stereotyped as 'meaningless', they wouldn't make any further attempt to figure it out.