Anyone accused of pretension due to extensive vocabulary?

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21 May 2016, 10:47 pm

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For some reason, as a general rule it's okay in our society to be physically superior. Lauded, even. However, if someone shows signs of being mentally adept above average, they are immediately suspect. If they are also autistic and thus lack the ability to make up for that "flaw" they are outcast.

We've turned into a culture that has been taught via social learning to not value critical thought and intellectual prowess, either innate or trained. But beyond that, it has become somewhat suspect, even perhaps a quality to induce immediate distrust and wariness.

My guess is it comes down to the effects of unregulated capitalism, religion and democracy. Wonderful as they are, all of these are field ripe for intellectually abuse of people who are less intelligent than average. And the irony is that the people who've historically taught in subtle and overt ways that intellect is not to be trusted (the leaders of those three areas) tend to be above average and use their intellect in unethical ways.


If we were in a tribe with enemy tribes in the vicinity a strong person would automatically be in the army and therefore would be risking his life for everyone's benefit. The way muscular people are respected makes me think we have the tribe mentality.

A smart bookworm would have to prove himself as being an asset.



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21 May 2016, 10:57 pm

The French can be extremely tribal, though culturally they regard anti-intellectualism as a boorish sign of willful ignorance..



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21 May 2016, 11:05 pm

slenkar wrote:

If we were in a tribe with enemy tribes in the vicinity a strong person would automatically be in the army and therefore would be risking his life for everyone's benefit. The way muscular people are respected makes me think we have the tribe mentality.


Historically speaking, wisdom and knowledge have been known to succeed where raw force failed and they have given many nations an advantage during wars. Many cultures/societies appreciated and celebrated such qualities because they have a significant contribution to the well-being, advancement and survival of the group.


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22 May 2016, 1:00 am

Yes,Archimedes had an obvious effect on battles but he proved himself useful.
Other intellectuals can go in the wrong direction and burn out, not achieving anything obvious.



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22 May 2016, 1:23 am

slenkar wrote:
Yes,Archimedes had an obvious effect on battles but he proved himself useful.
Other intellectuals can go in the wrong direction and burn out, not achieving anything obvious.


Sure, so can anyone. I'm not trying to say that intellectuals are infallible, or that they necessarily possess wisdom. I'm saying that both physical and intellectual strength can be used to benefit both individuals and the group and even from a collective or tribal point of view there's no logical reason to favour one over the other instead of embracing and making the best of both.


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22 May 2016, 1:27 am

Yes!



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22 May 2016, 1:30 am

I wanted to add I don't condone contempt or neglect of the physical aspect in us and I can appreciate and admire great athletes and similar achievements. A harmonious, balanced development should encourage both the body and mind.


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22 May 2016, 8:48 am

I've had this problem since I was a young child. Double mockery since most my polysyllablic vocabulary consisted of words I couldn't pronounce as I'd never heard them spoken. After I rendered "Aborigines" as "Abrogeenies", my dad didn't let me live it down for years. (I was 8.)
I've gradually learned to tailor my language to the level of the people around me. Just because it helps communication, and I do have some friends who didn't swallow the dictionary. Also, using different kinds of language is fun. It's always a relief when I can talk naturally, though. At a SF convention last year, I refered to both wasps and scorpions as "insects" out of habit, 'cos most people ain't into invertebrate taxonomy. To my delight, someone shot back with "Scorpions aren't insects!"


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22 May 2016, 9:44 am

Growing up, people would often give me a hard time for using "big words", but actually being accused of pretension was a rare occurance for me.


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22 May 2016, 10:54 am

I was recently accused of being a smart aleck for using the word 'transliterate' while speaking to someone. It didn't bother me though, translating thought to speech is difficult enough without worrying about whether or not people like the words I choose.

I have learned however not to correct people when they misuse a word, unless they do it repeatedly and I can't take it. I used to think they would like to know if they were wrong. They do not.



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22 May 2016, 11:42 am

I used to do the same thing, thinking people would like to know. I didn't realize they might feel embarrassed or inhibited in expressing themselves because I corrected them. I wasn't actually trying to judge them, only judge the one word out of many. I've also tried to be less of a perfectionist with my own informal writing, like in a text or on a forum. Sometimes, leaving my first thought uncorrected actually has its merits.



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22 May 2016, 11:55 am

Oh, I forgot to mention the context-dependent speech. I don't usually think about it that way, except for the fact that I let my guard down with close friends and I adopt a professional, artificially cheerful customer service tone in the business world. I don't usually talk that much differently to children; when I was a kid, I thought it sounded fake when adults tried to do it to me. I can see the merits in changing my style though; it just doesn't usually sit well with me.