Did you know how NTs see things is different from us!?
With all of this discussion on details versus the whole picture, I thought some of you might be interested in a blind person's perspective.Because I'm using my other senses, I often pick up on details that others don't notice. I can get an overall sense of proportion's, like when I touch someone's arm or give them a hug. I can feel skin imperfections though I generally ignore them. That said, it seems like faces feel mostly the same, when I feel them at all. We all have the same parts, and all the minuscule details you see, I don't. There are a lot of things you can see but can never touch or perceive with other senses unless someone creates a realistic model.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosopagnosia
Yeah, I have prosopagnosia & thought the same thing lol.sounds like it! I tend to focus one the details of the face, but look at the whole face as well, I don't really have a problem doing either or and kind of switch between the two states.
The thing that blew my mind was the idea that NTs like.... just don't see if they don't believe it- that they actively are filtering out AND THUS DON"T SEE lots of information.
Like, when I would say stuff or point things out and the NT would be like lalalalala~~~~ whuddya talkin' about??!
And I"m like- dear god are deaf or blind?? how could you NOT see XYZ thing? But they don't expect to see it so they filter it out!The amount of filtering is surprising to me.
Yeah this thread has been really educational and it's sorting out a lot of information that I already had but didn't or couldn't put into a bigger picture or giving me some new interesting info.
Like I've been aware I had that protagonist thing... , prosaic..., proso..., uhgh! I can never remember the word!! (≧∇≦) and I also knew that big letter - small letters thing too, but I didn't have the full appreciation of the connection I suppose. I do see the small letters first but I don't have too much trouble seeing the big letter. I can also spot small things a lot of people don't notice, like when I read the phrase 'think eyebrows vs. thin eyebrows' in that very nice NT lady's post, I got stuck wondering to myself 'What on earth are 'THINK' eyebrows? Oh she means 'THICK'." Then when I read the same part again some time later, I got stuck and had to ask myself "What on earth are 'THINK' eybr... oh yeah! Duh!" I know this means I process surface information very literally like a computer rather than a human. I kind of suspect that surface information has as much importance to me as concepts, and I want to study this in future - I think I'm deviating so I'll stop. Anyway, I notice details just like a lot of people in this thread said.I guess that's got a lot to do with facial feature gazing.
Now I'm very, very curious to know: did anyone get stuck at 'THINK' eyebrows just like I did?
Wow, I haven't ever heard of that! Interesting.
I'm not sure if I tend to focus on the details. I probably am because I often notice things like bugs and scratches on stuff easier than other people. I tried finding the test with a big letter made of by small letters online but since I knew what I was looking for I suppose it didn't give a true result. I did however notice the small letters first, but quickly afterwards reflected over the big ones.
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Here it is:
^ Yes, that's the test, and it's quite interesting. It must have an official name -- the ____ test. Does anyone know?
If it were to be used formally, there'd have to be some standard size and distance from which it would be viewed. If you're standing far enough back from the screen the large letters are always going to be what you see, but if you're closer you may see either the large or the small first.
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Here it is:
I saw the big letters with the little letters only because I saw drlaugh's response first so I knew what to look for. I cheated. Plus the print was smaller so I saw everything. My brain is weird because it's like I can do both.
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I saw both small letters and big letters at the same time. How peculiar!
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I see the small letters first.
When I read them left to right like you would read a page, I read them quickly as AHES.
When I try to read the big letters left to right, it takes me a moment to see the big letters and I read more slowly.
If I try to read faster I get confused and say the small letter because that's what I see.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosopagnosia
Yeah, I have prosopagnosia & thought the same thing lol.sounds like it! I tend to focus one the details of the face, but look at the whole face as well, I don't really have a problem doing either or and kind of switch between the two states.
The thing that blew my mind was the idea that NTs like.... just don't see if they don't believe it- that they actively are filtering out AND THUS DON"T SEE lots of information.
Like, when I would say stuff or point things out and the NT would be like lalalalala~~~~ whuddya talkin' about??!
And I"m like- dear god are deaf or blind?? how could you NOT see XYZ thing? But they don't expect to see it so they filter it out!The amount of filtering is surprising to me.
Yeah this thread has been really educational and it's sorting out a lot of information that I already had but didn't or couldn't put into a bigger picture or giving me some new interesting info.
Like I've been aware I had that protagonist thing... , prosaic..., proso..., uhgh! I can never remember the word!! (≧∇≦) and I also knew that big letter - small letters thing too, but I didn't have the full appreciation of the connection I suppose. I do see the small letters first but I don't have too much trouble seeing the big letter. I can also spot small things a lot of people don't notice, like when I read the phrase 'think eyebrows vs. thin eyebrows' in that very nice NT lady's post, I got stuck wondering to myself 'What on earth are 'THINK' eyebrows? Oh she means 'THICK'." Then when I read the same part again some time later, I got stuck and had to ask myself "What on earth are 'THINK' eybr... oh yeah! Duh!" I know this means I process surface information very literally like a computer rather than a human. I kind of suspect that surface information has as much importance to me as concepts, and I want to study this in future - I think I'm deviating so I'll stop. Anyway, I notice details just like a lot of people in this thread said.I guess that's got a lot to do with facial feature gazing.
Now I'm very, very curious to know: did anyone get stuck at 'THINK' eyebrows just like I did?
HAHA! I thought something similar. I feel like I have two modes of existing. One is my natural state- my aspie state- and then (through intense training/my unrelenting parents) I have my NT-state which functions pretty well, but it is SO energy consuming I swear. And I find that I have to consciously "turn on" that part of my brain in order to understand the dynamics of or the thought process of NT people. When I do that ( and get it right) it feels a bit like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDtFT7lnJ5w
starting from 0:13 basically. Like- POWER ON.
Same thing with "literal thinking mode" I have to flip with the switch/play with the circuit boards so to speak. I go from: "What are THINK EYEBROWS?? OMG!?!" to "Oh, yes they obviously meant XYZ"
Have you looked into GABA/Glutamine imbalance? I think these, plus adrenaline levels, very much influence how we see things.
I once stepped outside and had the 'whole picture' experience- for about a minute or so. I stepped outside and everything seemed quiet. I felt as if I was looking at a picture. I could see things as a whole and wasn't distracted by small details and small sounds. I felt like I could turn my head and gaze easily around me. It was relaxing. Then suddenly everything grew louder, my eyes "zoomed" in on the details.. the contrast in lighting on the leaves on a tree. The fight-or-flight vision. My normal view of the world...
I don't know, other than having switched from sleeping in the day to sleeping at night, what could have triggered this.
Edit: Found the link http://www.holistichelp.net/blog/how-to ... glutamate/
Notice the bit about eye focus, attention, and language.
Have you looked into GABA/Glutamine imbalance? I think these, plus adrenaline levels, very much influence how we see things.
I once stepped outside and had the 'whole picture' experience- for about a minute or so. I stepped outside and everything seemed quiet. I felt as if I was looking at a picture. I could see things as a whole and wasn't distracted by small details and small sounds. I felt like I could turn my head and gaze easily around me. It was relaxing. Then suddenly everything grew louder, my eyes "zoomed" in on the details.. the contrast in lighting on the leaves on a tree. The fight-or-flight vision. My normal view of the world...
I don't know, other than having switched from sleeping in the day to sleeping at night, what could have triggered this.
Edit: Found the link http://www.holistichelp.net/blog/how-to ... glutamate/
Notice the bit about eye focus, attention, and language.
Thank you ! I'll look into that !
Have you looked into GABA/Glutamine imbalance? I think these, plus adrenaline levels, very much influence how we see things.
I once stepped outside and had the 'whole picture' experience- for about a minute or so. I stepped outside and everything seemed quiet. I felt as if I was looking at a picture. I could see things as a whole and wasn't distracted by small details and small sounds. I felt like I could turn my head and gaze easily around me. It was relaxing. Then suddenly everything grew louder, my eyes "zoomed" in on the details.. the contrast in lighting on the leaves on a tree. The fight-or-flight vision. My normal view of the world...
I don't know, other than having switched from sleeping in the day to sleeping at night, what could have triggered this.
Edit: Found the link http://www.holistichelp.net/blog/how-to ... glutamate/
Notice the bit about eye focus, attention, and language.
Any ideas how I'd know if I've got a GABA/ Glutamine imbalance ?
Excellent -- thank you.
Once you know the name of something, you can find out everything else.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navon_figure
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