Did you know how NTs see things is different from us!?

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29 May 2016, 12:37 pm

With all of this discussion on details versus the whole picture, I thought some of you might be interested in a blind person's perspective.Because I'm using my other senses, I often pick up on details that others don't notice. I can get an overall sense of proportion's, like when I touch someone's arm or give them a hug. I can feel skin imperfections though I generally ignore them. That said, it seems like faces feel mostly the same, when I feel them at all. We all have the same parts, and all the minuscule details you see, I don't. There are a lot of things you can see but can never touch or perceive with other senses unless someone creates a realistic model.



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30 May 2016, 11:15 am

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It sounds like the OP has prosopagnosia. It's both the reason you can't recognize people, and the reason you don't tend to gaze at their whole face to get a gestalt the way an NT would.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosopagnosia

Yeah, I have prosopagnosia & thought the same thing lol.sounds like it! I tend to focus one the details of the face, but look at the whole face as well, I don't really have a problem doing either or and kind of switch between the two states.

The thing that blew my mind was the idea that NTs like.... just don't see if they don't believe it- that they actively are filtering out AND THUS DON"T SEE lots of information.
Like, when I would say stuff or point things out and the NT would be like lalalalala~~~~ whuddya talkin' about??!
And I"m like- dear god are deaf or blind?? how could you NOT see XYZ thing? But they don't expect to see it so they filter it out!The amount of filtering is surprising to me. 8O

Yeah this thread has been really educational and it's sorting out a lot of information that I already had but didn't or couldn't put into a bigger picture or giving me some new interesting info.

Like I've been aware I had that protagonist thing... , prosaic..., proso..., uhgh! I can never remember the word!! (≧∇≦) and I also knew that big letter - small letters thing too, but I didn't have the full appreciation of the connection I suppose. I do see the small letters first but I don't have too much trouble seeing the big letter. I can also spot small things a lot of people don't notice, like when I read the phrase 'think eyebrows vs. thin eyebrows' in that very nice NT lady's post, I got stuck wondering to myself 'What on earth are 'THINK' eyebrows? Oh she means 'THICK'." Then when I read the same part again some time later, I got stuck and had to ask myself "What on earth are 'THINK' eybr... oh yeah! Duh!" I know this means I process surface information very literally like a computer rather than a human. I kind of suspect that surface information has as much importance to me as concepts, and I want to study this in future - I think I'm deviating so I'll stop. Anyway, I notice details just like a lot of people in this thread said.I guess that's got a lot to do with facial feature gazing.

Now I'm very, very curious to know: did anyone get stuck at 'THINK' eyebrows just like I did?



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30 May 2016, 11:44 am

Wow, I haven't ever heard of that! Interesting.
I'm not sure if I tend to focus on the details. I probably am because I often notice things like bugs and scratches on stuff easier than other people. I tried finding the test with a big letter made of by small letters online but since I knew what I was looking for I suppose it didn't give a true result. I did however notice the small letters first, but quickly afterwards reflected over the big ones.



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30 May 2016, 11:59 am

mikeman7918 wrote:
A while ago I saw an interesting graphic of a big letter S made out of a bunch of tiny H's. I would like to find it and post it here but I can't remember where I saw it. It was said that NTs would tend to notice the big S first and those with autism would tend to notice the H's first, and unsurprisingly I noticed the H's first and didn't realize that they made up a big S until looking at it for a few seconds. It was quite interesting.

Here it is:
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30 May 2016, 12:52 pm

I saw the small A's and then saw the Bigger E.
Then I saw the three other big letters.
Is it a S or 5?


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30 May 2016, 12:57 pm

^ Yes, that's the test, and it's quite interesting. It must have an official name -- the ____ test. Does anyone know?

If it were to be used formally, there'd have to be some standard size and distance from which it would be viewed. If you're standing far enough back from the screen the large letters are always going to be what you see, but if you're closer you may see either the large or the small first.


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30 May 2016, 1:05 pm

Marybird wrote:
mikeman7918 wrote:
A while ago I saw an interesting graphic of a big letter S made out of a bunch of tiny H's. I would like to find it and post it here but I can't remember where I saw it. It was said that NTs would tend to notice the big S first and those with autism would tend to notice the H's first, and unsurprisingly I noticed the H's first and didn't realize that they made up a big S until looking at it for a few seconds. It was quite interesting.

Here it is:
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I saw the big letters with the little letters only because I saw drlaugh's response first so I knew what to look for. I cheated. Plus the print was smaller so I saw everything. My brain is weird because it's like I can do both.


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30 May 2016, 1:21 pm

I saw both small letters and big letters at the same time. How peculiar! :o


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30 May 2016, 1:22 pm

I saw the big letters first, because I'm longsighted.



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30 May 2016, 2:00 pm

I see the small letters first.
When I read them left to right like you would read a page, I read them quickly as AHES.
When I try to read the big letters left to right, it takes me a moment to see the big letters and I read more slowly.
If I try to read faster I get confused and say the small letter because that's what I see.



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30 May 2016, 8:51 pm

whitedragon wrote:
Unfortunate_Aspie_ wrote:
arielhawksquill wrote:
It sounds like the OP has prosopagnosia. It's both the reason you can't recognize people, and the reason you don't tend to gaze at their whole face to get a gestalt the way an NT would.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosopagnosia

Yeah, I have prosopagnosia & thought the same thing lol.sounds like it! I tend to focus one the details of the face, but look at the whole face as well, I don't really have a problem doing either or and kind of switch between the two states.

The thing that blew my mind was the idea that NTs like.... just don't see if they don't believe it- that they actively are filtering out AND THUS DON"T SEE lots of information.
Like, when I would say stuff or point things out and the NT would be like lalalalala~~~~ whuddya talkin' about??!
And I"m like- dear god are deaf or blind?? how could you NOT see XYZ thing? But they don't expect to see it so they filter it out!The amount of filtering is surprising to me. 8O

Yeah this thread has been really educational and it's sorting out a lot of information that I already had but didn't or couldn't put into a bigger picture or giving me some new interesting info.

Like I've been aware I had that protagonist thing... , prosaic..., proso..., uhgh! I can never remember the word!! (≧∇≦) and I also knew that big letter - small letters thing too, but I didn't have the full appreciation of the connection I suppose. I do see the small letters first but I don't have too much trouble seeing the big letter. I can also spot small things a lot of people don't notice, like when I read the phrase 'think eyebrows vs. thin eyebrows' in that very nice NT lady's post, I got stuck wondering to myself 'What on earth are 'THINK' eyebrows? Oh she means 'THICK'." Then when I read the same part again some time later, I got stuck and had to ask myself "What on earth are 'THINK' eybr... oh yeah! Duh!" I know this means I process surface information very literally like a computer rather than a human. I kind of suspect that surface information has as much importance to me as concepts, and I want to study this in future - I think I'm deviating so I'll stop. Anyway, I notice details just like a lot of people in this thread said.I guess that's got a lot to do with facial feature gazing.

Now I'm very, very curious to know: did anyone get stuck at 'THINK' eyebrows just like I did?

HAHA! :D :lol: I thought something similar. I feel like I have two modes of existing. One is my natural state- my aspie state- and then (through intense training/my unrelenting parents) I have my NT-state which functions pretty well, but it is SO energy consuming I swear. And I find that I have to consciously "turn on" that part of my brain in order to understand the dynamics of or the thought process of NT people. When I do that ( and get it right) it feels a bit like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDtFT7lnJ5w
starting from 0:13 basically. Like- POWER ON.
Same thing with "literal thinking mode" I have to flip with the switch/play with the circuit boards so to speak. I go from: "What are THINK EYEBROWS?? OMG!?!" to "Oh, yes they obviously meant XYZ" :mrgreen:



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01 Jun 2016, 5:00 am

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I also noticed years ago that when I look at text on a book , I don't automatically FOCUS on the words , they are actually all blurred , like a kinda double vision until I actually CONCENTRATE and focus on getting the words to be in focus . I've mentioned it to my optician on the last two occasions and he's dismissed my fears . It's still a puzzle as regards the blurred words .


Have you looked into GABA/Glutamine imbalance? I think these, plus adrenaline levels, very much influence how we see things.

I once stepped outside and had the 'whole picture' experience- for about a minute or so. I stepped outside and everything seemed quiet. I felt as if I was looking at a picture. I could see things as a whole and wasn't distracted by small details and small sounds. I felt like I could turn my head and gaze easily around me. It was relaxing. Then suddenly everything grew louder, my eyes "zoomed" in on the details.. the contrast in lighting on the leaves on a tree. The fight-or-flight vision. My normal view of the world...

I don't know, other than having switched from sleeping in the day to sleeping at night, what could have triggered this.

Edit: Found the link http://www.holistichelp.net/blog/how-to ... glutamate/
Notice the bit about eye focus, attention, and language.



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01 Jun 2016, 7:26 am

Mavis wrote:
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I also noticed years ago that when I look at text on a book , I don't automatically FOCUS on the words , they are actually all blurred , like a kinda double vision until I actually CONCENTRATE and focus on getting the words to be in focus . I've mentioned it to my optician on the last two occasions and he's dismissed my fears . It's still a puzzle as regards the blurred words .


Have you looked into GABA/Glutamine imbalance? I think these, plus adrenaline levels, very much influence how we see things.

I once stepped outside and had the 'whole picture' experience- for about a minute or so. I stepped outside and everything seemed quiet. I felt as if I was looking at a picture. I could see things as a whole and wasn't distracted by small details and small sounds. I felt like I could turn my head and gaze easily around me. It was relaxing. Then suddenly everything grew louder, my eyes "zoomed" in on the details.. the contrast in lighting on the leaves on a tree. The fight-or-flight vision. My normal view of the world...

I don't know, other than having switched from sleeping in the day to sleeping at night, what could have triggered this.

Edit: Found the link http://www.holistichelp.net/blog/how-to ... glutamate/
Notice the bit about eye focus, attention, and language.


Thank you ! I'll look into that !



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01 Jun 2016, 10:22 am

I found the name for the letters; it's called 'Navon task'.



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Mavis wrote:
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I also noticed years ago that when I look at text on a book , I don't automatically FOCUS on the words , they are actually all blurred , like a kinda double vision until I actually CONCENTRATE and focus on getting the words to be in focus . I've mentioned it to my optician on the last two occasions and he's dismissed my fears . It's still a puzzle as regards the blurred words .


Have you looked into GABA/Glutamine imbalance? I think these, plus adrenaline levels, very much influence how we see things.

I once stepped outside and had the 'whole picture' experience- for about a minute or so. I stepped outside and everything seemed quiet. I felt as if I was looking at a picture. I could see things as a whole and wasn't distracted by small details and small sounds. I felt like I could turn my head and gaze easily around me. It was relaxing. Then suddenly everything grew louder, my eyes "zoomed" in on the details.. the contrast in lighting on the leaves on a tree. The fight-or-flight vision. My normal view of the world...

I don't know, other than having switched from sleeping in the day to sleeping at night, what could have triggered this.

Edit: Found the link http://www.holistichelp.net/blog/how-to ... glutamate/
Notice the bit about eye focus, attention, and language.


Any ideas how I'd know if I've got a GABA/ Glutamine imbalance ?



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01 Jun 2016, 1:38 pm

choklado wrote:
I found the name for the letters; it's called 'Navon task'.


Excellent -- thank you.

Once you know the name of something, you can find out everything else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navon_figure


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