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04 Jun 2016, 10:07 am

I will NEVER think of ASD'rs as anything but fully human.


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04 Jun 2016, 10:18 am

EzraS wrote:
About 1% of the world population has autism spectrum disorder. (CDC, 2014). Prevalence in the United States is estimated at 1 in 68.

So I'm thinking, "society", "society in general", "everybody", "everybody else", "humans"....

It's kinda hard to segregate, marginalize or stereotype 99% of the world's population.

Exactly this. If they are apart of the same generation and locality and socioeconomic status- NTs are REMARKABLY similar and operate on the same norms, but their specific rules/customs change (tremendously) according to country and such they live in. Whereas, I feel autistics take up those socio-cultural rules much much much less (don't perceive them) and are much closer to each other, but vary tremendously according to where they are on the spectrum&with what their comorbids are. So, everyone is all still different, but NT vs AS people differ according to different characteristics I feel.
Of course other things matter, but these are the big ones I feel.

That being said before I knew about autism I called them "the normal people" "the humans"
"the real people" <- not great so I prefer the term NT, which implies an averageness without making a value judgement, it just indicates a greater frequency of that neurotype such that it is typical or "the norm".

I used to thnk I was an X-man-esque mutant (too weird to be a regular human!) :lol: or alien so I really liked superman and the X-men as a kid :mrgreen:



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04 Jun 2016, 10:19 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
I will NEVER think of ASD'rs as anything but fully human.

This is how I think now of course. Much healthier mentality...



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04 Jun 2016, 10:48 am

I like NT because we invented it and its short.

"Neurotypical or NT, an abbreviation of neurologically typical, is a neologism widely used in the autistic community as a label for people who are not on the autism spectrum.[1] However, the term eventually became narrowed to refer to those with strictly typical neurology. In other words, this refers to anyone who does not have any developmental disabilities such as some forms of autism, dyslexia, developmental coordination disorder, or ADHD. The term was later adopted by both the neurodiversity movement and the scientific community.[2][3][4]

Neurotypical has been replaced by some with "allistic", or "nypical"[5] which has the same meaning that "neurotypical" had originally.[6] These terms refer to those who are not autistic, even if they are neurologically atypical in some other way, such as having dyslexia.

The National Autistic Society of the United Kingdom recommends the use of the term "neurotypical" in its advice to journalists"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotypical



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04 Jun 2016, 11:07 am

TomS wrote:
I like NT because we invented it and its short.

"Neurotypical or NT, an abbreviation of neurologically typical, is a neologism widely used in the autistic community as a label for people who are not on the autism spectrum.[1] However, the term eventually became narrowed to refer to those with strictly typical neurology. In other words, this refers to anyone who does not have any developmental disabilities such as some forms of autism, dyslexia, developmental coordination disorder, or ADHD. The term was later adopted by both the neurodiversity movement and the scientific community.[2][3][4]

Neurotypical has been replaced by some with "allistic", or "nypical"[5] which has the same meaning that "neurotypical" had originally.[6] These terms refer to those who are not autistic, even if they are neurologically atypical in some other way, such as having dyslexia.

The National Autistic Society of the United Kingdom recommends the use of the term "neurotypical" in its advice to journalists"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotypical


This.

No reason to replace the term.



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04 Jun 2016, 11:15 am

For convenience's sake, I might use "neurotypical" to mean "non-autistic."

In reality, there are very many atypical "neural" states.

As others have stated, I wouldn't, say, call a person with a specific learning disability, yet is not autistic, "neurotypical" if I wanted to be precise.



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04 Jun 2016, 11:17 am

Threads about definitions of NT do irk me a bit, because it makes me feel like autistics are the only neurodiverse that are separated from the norm, even those of us who are high-functioning and have friends, spouses, jobs, cars, houses and children, are by definition less typical than, say, a severely mentally ret*d adult that requires 24-hour care.

I mean, what if we were all people with Down's Syndrome here, talking about our lives? What would we be referring the rest of the population to, apart from "non-Down's"?


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04 Jun 2016, 11:23 am

Probably "normies" LOL

And not in a bad sense.



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04 Jun 2016, 11:40 am

Joe90 wrote:
Threads about definitions of NT do irk me a bit, because it makes me feel like autistics are the only neurodiverse that are separated from the norm, even those of us who are high-functioning and have friends, spouses, jobs, cars, houses and children, are by definition less typical than, say, a severely mentally ret*d adult that requires 24-hour care.

I mean, what if we were all people with Down's Syndrome here, talking about our lives? What would we be referring the rest of the population to, apart from "non-Down's"?


Can't figure out what it is that "irks" you, nor what your point is.

There are clubs for adult people who happened to be the products of multiple births (twins, triplettes, etc). In their internal communications they refer to the rest of us as "singletons" (us in the 99 percent who are born one-at-a-time).

Down's Syndrome folks tend to not be very literate nor facile with the keyboard, but if they were, and if they had websites like this they probably would evolve a collective term for "folks without Down's syndrome". And why shouldnt they?



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04 Jun 2016, 1:15 pm

I call my sister typie cause she is the only one in our family that is even somewhat typical but is still weird in society. Allistic is the opposite of Autistic because Aut Means self and All obviously means everyone or others, so Autistic would mean one how believes in Autism and allistic being on who believes allism. Mabye I should start calling my sister Ally it is here middle name alia. So Allism/Autism would exclude other developmental disablities that aren't Autism. Even other PDDs. Only Autism. I've used this term since I discovered wrong planet mabye even before ever since I first started researching about autism.


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04 Jun 2016, 3:11 pm

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I say non-autistic.

Ditto
I believe there are actually very few real neurotypicals. There are so many psychiatric disorders.


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05 Jun 2016, 11:19 am

EzraS wrote:
It's kinda hard to segregate, marginalize or stereotype 99% of the world's population.


Firstly, neurotypical doesn't mean 'non-autistic'. It means having the majority neurology. So the stats would be more like 90-95%, depending on how broadly you define certain conditions like ADHD, and on how much certain conditions co-occur.

Second, having a name for a group doesn't mean marginalizing, segregating or stereotyping them. It just means naming them as a group. NTs are all individuals, but by virtue of being similar enough to the average, they all share certain advantages.

And they aren't 'everyone'. We're people too. We are a part of society. So I find your alternative terms for neurotypicals offensive and inaccurate.



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05 Jun 2016, 11:26 am

I am actually going to change how I refer to people now. If I mean NT, I will say "NT". If I mean non Autistic, I will say, "non Autistic" or "Allistic". If I mean people who are not NT but not Autistic, I will say, "people who are not NT but not Autistic," or "non NT Allistics." If I mean people in general to include all categories of neurodiversity, I will say words that imply "everyone".

And I agree with Ettina. We have to be able to have names for things if we are going to speak in specifics. I mean, we could just use descriptive sentences for what we want to say but it's shorter to have the names. There is no value judgment in the name, it's just a name to help us be clear in out speech. There is no stigmatizing or marginalizing or whatever else in it. Same goes for the word "ret*d". It was just a clinical definition. The only reason it has become taboo is because people started to use it as a kind of curse word to hurt people. So if we don't want to defile these terms, don't use them as curse words and don't use them in a hurtful way.


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