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07 May 2007, 10:44 pm

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I think people with NVLD really primarily think in words rather than in pictures. I even first thought when reading about it that they only think in words and can't get any visual image into their head at all, but then I found out that it's also possible to have NVLD and still be able to think in pictures, just the pictures are not very vivid. Also abstract things are much harder to picture. So I think generally the ability is there, it's just not as good as with NTs. I've read about people with NLD also though who really seem not to be able to picture anything in their head at all, not even simple things so to say, so I wouldn't say anyone is capable of it.

I have NLD and I do picture things in my head, but they have very little detail. People don't have faces, there's no background, etc. Plus, I can only picture things for a split second at a time, the images are very transient. I also have a terrible memory for visual details (5th percentile- ugh!), so it makes sense that what I can't remember, I can't picture.

I second risingphoenix's question by the way- what does it mean that NLD is "silent"? I've never heard it described that way.

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08 May 2007, 5:24 am

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I think he just slipped up. Nvld is NON verbal learning disorder. Like AS people, they tend to have a BETTER VERBAL vocabulary.

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08 May 2007, 6:03 am

SteveK wrote:

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risingphoenix wrote:

I think he just slipped up. Nvld is NON verbal learning disorder. Like AS people, they tend to have a BETTER VERBAL vocabulary.

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Thank you. Its not so much a "better vocabulary" as it is NvLD tend to speak in written language be it written by hand or by text. So do AS however AS and NvLD are closely related.

"NLD is a neurological syndrome characterized by the impairment of nonverbal or performance-based information controlled by the right hemisphere of the brain. Difficulties will arise in the areas of gross motor skills, inability to organize visual-spatial relations, or adapt to novel social situations. Frequently, a person with NLD is unable to interpret non-verbal signals and cues, and therefore he or she experiences difficulty interacting with peers in socially normative ways. A person with this neurological condition may frequently excel in areas of verbal ability, as well as have excellent spelling and reading comprehension skills. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonverbal_ ... g_disorder

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08 May 2007, 7:34 am

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... well as have excellent spelling and reading comprehension skills. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonverbal_ ... g_disorder

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At least I know that's not me then

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08 May 2007, 8:50 am

Can someone describe to me what thinking in words is like. I cannot understand the concept :roll:

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08 May 2007, 9:04 am

risingphoenix wrote:

I'm actually more likely to imagine the action which is done rather than the person who does it or the surroundings, if that makes any sense

That's also why I need action and dialogues or description of thoughts and feelings in a book, if it's just (lengthy) descriptions of landscapes and such, I get nothing much out of that at all.

So long story cut short I think it can vary greatly from person to person how much they think in pictures, but generally I always thought NLD people naturally rather think in words than in pictures most of the time.

granidin said the easiest words for her to see where nouns and verbs... things like over and under, she had trouble with... makes sense to me you have easy time with verbs

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08 May 2007, 1:43 pm

Sedaka wrote:

granidin said the easiest words for her to see where nouns and verbs... things like over and under, she had trouble with... makes sense to me you have easy time with verbs

Makes sense. People with aphasia usually have better recall with nouns because they can be visualized. Many verbs are harder to visualize, and aphasiacs tend to have more word-finding difficulties for verbs, although if the verb *can* be visualized, or if it is the same as the noun (ex. you hammer with a hammer), they have an easier time. I imagine prepositions and so on are even worse.

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09 May 2007, 3:00 am

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Well I'm completely unable to think in images at all. There are some things words can’t describe. Believe me when I say NTs/every one needs to think in images especially to recall things. I can understand not believing this. Why would you know otherwise? You can only account for your own experience.

I totally believe this. I can't even imagine how it's possible to ONLY think in words. I mean, how do you recall faces, even of your family, how do you recognize your own house or school/workplace and so on? How did you learn to write letters and such things?

On the other hand, are there also people who ONLY think in pictures?
It's really hard to imagine that, too. I understand one can picture nouns and verbs and most adjectives, but what about such words as (I just randomly picked those from a text) "maybe", "right now", "in common", "suddenly", "unbelievable"..., especially if they are not part of a text? And even if they are part of a text, let's say I began a story saying "Lisa and Lucy were best friends. They had lots of things in common." How does one "picture" the second sentence? After all one doesn't know yet WHAT they have in common.

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09 May 2007, 3:05 am

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agentcyclosarin wrote:

... well as have excellent spelling and reading comprehension skills. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonverbal_ ... g_disorder

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At least I know that's not me then

I think that with the excellent reading comprehension skills is not quite right though. I've read at least that reading comprehension is often below average, especially for more abstract things.

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09 May 2007, 3:09 am

I take myself to be a more visual thinker, since regularly, I will phase out and almost have an overlay of memory playing infront - I may be totally wrong there though. Its not teribly good though, since the second I realise I am doing it it disintergrates as I know I should be at the present and not in the past...

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09 May 2007, 3:23 am

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For me they also only have very little detail. Of course I can't imagine what the pictures in other's people's heads look like, but I can say for sure that the images I see in my head are different from those I see with my eyes. When I try to recall an image or make up one in my head it feels like I can't really build it up, I mean, like as if it somewhere in my head but too far away and I want to "reach" it mentally, but can never quite grab it, it all stays pretty much unclear in a way.
I've never done a test on visual details, but I know from experience that my visual recall is generally bad.
What I'd say I'm pretty good at though is such pictures where it says "picture A and picture B are the same, but 10 small things were changed in picture B, find them!". Are NLDers more likely to be good or bad at such a task?

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09 May 2007, 8:55 am

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If someone is deaf, they're going to be picturing something while they're reading. Even if they've learned some English, they're still not going to be hearing it in their mind the way a hearing person would. Maybe they picture the sign or something.

Question is, how did Helen Keller think before being exposed to language? In touches, tastes, and smells? Interesting!

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09 May 2007, 9:45 am

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i dunno, but im good at finding differences between two pics. they have those games at bars and such now like that... lil pc touch sreens.

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09 May 2007, 11:11 am

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Very interesting question. I'm not sure. Primarily I do think as if I'm speaking but not actually sounded I just 'know' the words I'm thinking about. To think of an object like a tree. It is sort of like a definition or description. It isn't as good as an image though. It makes memorising more complex thing tricky. It is fair to say I have trouble remembering what things look like. I'd get lost quite easily even not far from where I live. I do have trouble remembering what people look like but I have a better idea of their voice and how they act. But you're right I recognise things somehow that could not account for words. Although I truly don't see images in my head first hand I believe that I'm connected to images distantly. It is just they are repressed some how. Something to do with my cognitive dysfunction.

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09 May 2007, 10:25 pm

risingphoenix wrote:

What I'd say I'm pretty good at though is such pictures where it says "picture A and picture B are the same, but 10 small things were changed in picture B, find them!". Are NLDers more likely to be good or bad at such a task?

I think I would do poorly at that, because my scanning ability is below par and I don't process everything I see, especially in my left visual field. I can't speak for all NLDers though.

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09 May 2007, 10:27 pm

risingphoenix wrote:

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When I try to recall an image or make up one in my head it feels like I can't really build it up, I mean, like as if it somewhere in my head but too far away and I want to "reach" it mentally, but can never quite grab it, it all stays pretty much unclear in a way.

I'd say that that is what it is like for me, as well. It's very effortful to picture something, and the image just stays very vague.

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