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25 Aug 2016, 9:19 pm

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First of all, I do not see anything strange in my post . Maybe the language structure is of an archaic form .The reason I rolled my eyes is obvious . It is that this forum discusses issues of men and women, and not boys or girls . They concentrate on AS, and not the spectrum , as if the language difference between aspies and spectrum people, has resulted in very different challenges ( which it basically did not). Why don't you guys discuss the challenges that are faced by all,and not discuss it as a separate occurrence. May be i should have addressed my post to the parents forum, where I would tell them that their discussions are not commensurate to the needs of other parents,those parents that would like to have a more in depth discussion of their children . I don't blame them , but where are the other parents who are more literate ?. I also think that you guys should help the parents with their children issues , yu have been at that age,and who else could claim more experience.i am sorry I don't mean to be offensive, but I see your contribution is intrinsic in helping the challenges of others,regardless of their age , and helping fathers like me. I hope this is better english. Cheers.


Woh. Dude. We don't owe you anything! Nobody here owes you.

I always speak from my own experience. I am an aspie. That means that I have a type of autism that implies at least average IQ and that I had no speech delay as a young child. That's really the only difference. I never experienced not being able to use spoken word to communicate and I have the added exceptionality of being smarter than average.

This post is offensive as hell, and you saying that you don't mean to be offensive doesn't change that.

Please, for the sake of you children, seek counseling/therapy/social services. Seriously. I'm afraid for anyone who is in your care, and I'm assuming that's a child, based on your name, father. You need help and you aren't going to get it from me. I'm guessing you're not going to get it from anyone here, or from any online forum for that matter.



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25 Aug 2016, 9:42 pm

father wrote:
First of all, I do not see anything strange in my post . Maybe the language structure is of an archaic form .The reason I rolled my eyes is obvious . It is that this forum discusses issues of men and women, and not boys or girls . They concentrate on AS, and not the spectrum , as if the language difference between aspies and spectrum people, has resulted in very different challenges ( which it basically did not). Why don't you guys discuss the challenges that are faced by all,and not discuss it as a separate occurrence. May be i should have addressed my post to the parents forum, where I would tell them that their discussions are not commensurate to the needs of other parents,those parents that would like to have a more in depth discussion of their children . I don't blame them , but where are the other parents who are more literate ?. I also think that you guys should help the parents with their children issues , yu have been at that age,and who else could claim more experience.i am sorry I don't mean to be offensive, but I see your contribution is intrinsic in helping the challenges of others,regardless of their age , and helping fathers like me. I hope this is better english. Cheers.

What a fascinating way to ask for help and advice...



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25 Aug 2016, 9:43 pm

There are tons of resources about children for parents of autistic children. Relatively little for aspie adults. So this site is the rare oasis for autistic adults. And we do have a parents forum, and parents ask a get feed back about their kids from the autistic/aspie adults here.

So I dont know what the OP is complaining about.



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25 Aug 2016, 9:46 pm

We already contribute in important ways that impact on all AS people, both here and on blogs and in activist organisations - by challenging the myths that stigmatise AS people, offering our insights, support and lived knowledge to our peers, and providing factual information for those ignorant or misinformed about AS. Wrong Planet was created primarily as a support forum for neurodiverse people, though there is an accumulated wealth of information here from thousands of AS people and others. Some of us (not me) write books, others make videos, others organise events. I write letters to politicians and policy makers. This all amounts to a huge amount of support being offered to the AS community by AS adults.

OP, it seems that you think that we should help with raising other people's children too, (in addition to our own? I have several!). That idea seems to me one of the most astonishing presumptions I have ever seen posted on WP. Perhaps I misunderstood your posts though it sounded to me that you have a significant sense of entitlement and of being owed by people here, and you would probably find one of the parent support groups or websites a much better fit. We owe you nothing. I also wonder what books you have read in order to increase your own understanding and parenting skills.

There is a lot you can do to help yourself, as a parent, if you are willing to do so, and insisting that AS adults are under some moral obligation to assist children such as yours is only going to deter people from offering the guidance and information they might otherwise be inclined to do.

Hoping that others will fill the gaps for you is perhaps a passing phase for you and as you acquire more information you will become more able to fulfil your parenting role wisely.



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26 Aug 2016, 2:57 am

father wrote:
First of all, I do not see anything strange in my post . Maybe the language structure is of an archaic form .The reason I rolled my eyes is obvious . It is that this forum discusses issues of men and women, and not boys or girls . They concentrate on AS, and not the spectrum , as if the language difference between aspies and spectrum people, has resulted in very different challenges ( which it basically did not). Why don't you guys discuss the challenges that are faced by all,and not discuss it as a separate occurrence. May be i should have addressed my post to the parents forum, where I would tell them that their discussions are not commensurate to the needs of other parents,those parents that would like to have a more in depth discussion of their children . I don't blame them , but where are the other parents who are more literate ?. I also think that you guys should help the parents with their children issues , yu have been at that age,and who else could claim more experience.i am sorry I don't mean to be offensive, but I see your contribution is intrinsic in helping the challenges of others,regardless of their age , and helping fathers like me. I hope this is better english. Cheers.


My experiences with advising or discussing with parents autism issues outside of Wrong Planet has been negative as in you can write so you have no right to discuss our kids with "real autism". Here we have every situation, Autistic Parents with Autistic Children, Autistic Parents with children not on the spectrum, Parents not on the spectrum with offspring who are.


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26 Aug 2016, 3:54 am

OP: I'm not sure if you are autistic yourself, but if you are you may be unaware that the tone in which you ask for help can greatly influence the desire of other people to offer said help. What I mean is, if you talk down to people and act like an entitled jerk when you ask them for help they are not going to be likely to want to help you. If you truly want support and information from the autistic members of this forum, you should learn to frame your request in a more polite and considerate and less condescending way. Maybe then you will get more helpful responses.


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26 Aug 2016, 4:28 am

my interpretation/guess/translation so far: op has difficulty raising his child, and believes, therefore, that everybody is supposed to make his needs a priority. op writes in cryptic language, expects to be readily understood, insists it's others who are failing to understand his crystal clear language, and refuses to give any explanations and clarifications as to the context behind whatever he's saying or trying to say

if that's not some seriously serious theory-of-mind deficit, then i don't know what is


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26 Aug 2016, 5:32 am

Father, directing your anger at us does not help your beautiful child. You may find organizations like Autism Speaks to be more helpful.

To put it simply, "Don't go to sandwich shop and expect a good pizza."

I suggest you use WP as a window into your child's future. Understanding the people here will help you understand the person your child will become. Many people here have shown great courage in theirs lives and overcome major obstacles that society has thrown at them. Try to learn from them and use it to help your child.


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26 Aug 2016, 5:34 am

Simple...

There are endless contexts exists within the human continuum.
On every geography, on every nation, every culture, on every tradition, on every 'clans', on every environment, on every individual contexts that coexists in their genes and upbringing have different reactions on and within the autism spectrum.

OP, do you not know that? :| Even if the world only has one country, everyone still reacts differently. So, different cases, different scenarios, different individual needs... And not just yours. :lol: Or mine, or theirs.
Different sets people surrounding another, and so on, and so on...

Not every high functioning autistic could answer every desperate parents' questions, nor the higher spectrum problems solved even by those within the same level of said spectrum due to different contexts and circumstances.
Even so, people do what they can and trying.

You are trying but... Tsky. :lol:


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26 Aug 2016, 7:02 am

Rocket123 wrote:
What a fascinating way to ask for help and advice...


This is a much better answer than mine. Kudos. Curiosity instead of outrage. I like it.



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26 Aug 2016, 8:19 am

father wrote:
First of all, I do not see anything strange in my post .
The spaces preceding the punctuation marks are strange.
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Maybe the language structure is of an archaic form .
father wrote:
The reason I rolled my eyes is obvious . It is that this forum discusses issues of men and women, and not boys or girls .
We are mostly adult men and women, so we discuss issues that are mostly relevant to adult men and women.
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They concentrate on AS, and not the spectrum , as if the language difference between aspies and spectrum people, has resulted in very different challenges ( which it basically did not).
Considering that Aspies ARE "spectrum people", your argument is moot.
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Why don't you guys discuss the challenges that are faced by all,and not discuss it as a separate occurrence.
Because not all people face the same challenges. Besides, in the aggregation of all the posts on this website, you will find that we do indeed discuss challenges that are faced by all. We just don't discuss them all at once.
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May be i should have addressed my post to the parents forum, where I would tell them that their discussions are not commensurate to the needs of other parents,those parents that would like to have a more in depth discussion of their children .
Instead, why don't you open those very discussions yourself, and "become the change that you want to see"?
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I don't blame them , but where are the other parents who are more literate ?.
Likely spending more time caring for their children than posting complaints on social websites.
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I also think that you guys should help the parents with their children issues ,
How much does it pay? I'm sure that you've heard "Anything worth doing is worth doing well", but have you also heard that "Anything worth doing well is worth being paid well to do"?
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yu have been at that age,and who else could claim more experience.
Yes, and my sons are all adults with families and careers of their own.
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i am sorry I don't mean to be offensive, but I see your contribution is intrinsic in helping the challenges of others,regardless of their age , and helping fathers like me.
Ahh ... I see ... you seem to expect us to solve your problems for you. Well, maybe if you were more direct in stating your problems, and politely asked for help with your problems, then more help would be forthcoming.
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I hope this is better english.
It isn't.

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26 Aug 2016, 8:46 am

father wrote:
Why don't you guys discuss the challenges that are faced by all,and not discuss it as a separate occurrence.


There's only so much to be said about death and taxes.

The spectrum is broad. Autistic people and their parents face diverse problems. Trying to reduce it to "challenges that are faced by all" will reduce it to death, taxes, or, on a more esoteric level, entropy, gravity and the like. This won't help the parent of a child whose special interests are putting them in conflict with the law, or the parent of a child who has gone through a dramatic regression and lost all communication and outward focus, or the "high functioning" autistic person who compensated successfully for years and built a functional life only to suddenly burn out...

Autistic people, like people in general, tend to talk about themselves and what they are focused on, much as you seem to be doing.


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26 Aug 2016, 9:46 am

Logically, the ones with the most time and experience to help out with your problems are the young adults that are too busy trying to figure out how to get dates. My guess is they are too preoccupied with their own issues to help you out.



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26 Aug 2016, 11:16 am

father wrote:
First of all, I do not see anything strange in my post . Maybe the language structure is of an archaic form .The reason I rolled my eyes is obvious . It is that this forum discusses issues of men and women, and not boys or girls . They concentrate on AS, and not the spectrum , as if the language difference between aspies and spectrum people, has resulted in very different challenges ( which it basically did not). Why don't you guys discuss the challenges that are faced by all,and not discuss it as a separate occurrence. May be i should have addressed my post to the parents forum, where I would tell them that their discussions are not commensurate to the needs of other parents,those parents that would like to have a more in depth discussion of their children . I don't blame them , but where are the other parents who are more literate ?. I also think that you guys should help the parents with their children issues , yu have been at that age,and who else could claim more experience.i am sorry I don't mean to be offensive, but I see your contribution is intrinsic in helping the challenges of others,regardless of their age , and helping fathers like me. I hope this is better english. Cheers.


A note on etiquette: do not come into a forum for and by autistic people and presume to tell them what they *should* talk about. This is our space, not yours. Kthnxbai.



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27 Aug 2016, 6:28 am

So many spoons , i think you are over reading too much here , you are taking the issue far beyond what is being suggested, cheers .



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27 Aug 2016, 6:50 am

B19 and others , I don't know why you guys not consider a moral obligation to be what I think it is . It is helping others who need your advice . If this sounds only presumptuous on my part , then I would consider my presumption to be false . There is no ultimatum by any entity or thought , to force you to be obligated or not . I wanted your support , and you take it as I am asking for an entitlement .no body in this world could claim an authority to ask anybody what he should do . Since this suggestion is not prioritized in your perceived necessities , then it is simply that. I was appealing to you , this appeal was taken out of proportion .