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Fraya
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10 May 2007, 10:58 am

Danielismyname wrote:
Food trots, flies and swims; grows
Water flows
Air is
Shelter is felled trees
You pay someone to do it for you or you do it yourself
Collective society discourages doing things by yourself
Autism says to do things by yourself

I don’t see where logic states one is more desirable than the other...one might be easier for certain people; but then, that's subjective.


Exactly my thinking. In my opinion paradise is a nice cozy cave in a forest with plentiful game to hunt.

NTs believe they have to trade their freedom for survival on a daily basis and that they cant live without society. Crazy.



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10 May 2007, 12:44 pm

I may be crazy, but here is my plan:

Live with my dad, and save my IT industry salary for the next 10 years and retire at 35.

What do others think?



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10 May 2007, 1:55 pm

he's stupid if he's not charging you rent (a fraction of what you'd pay in the real world, but enough to cover your costs) :)



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10 May 2007, 3:33 pm

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yeah well you gotta pay the rent and eat and drink.
so long as i dont want for much, that's all that matters.


I completely agree.

Especially if you can do something you enjoy, that makes you happy while paying your bills and keeping food on the table, it's all good! :D



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10 May 2007, 3:56 pm

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he's stupid if he's not charging you rent (a fraction of what you'd pay in the real world, but enough to cover your costs) :)

I assume you're talking to me. My dad doesn't need the money, and he would never take it off of me if I offered. Then again, I am planning on buying him a car for this 50th birthday, so I guess it all works out in the end.



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10 May 2007, 6:02 pm

rincemeister wrote:
I may be crazy, but here is my plan:

Live with my dad, and save my IT industry salary for the next 10 years and retire at 35.

What do others think?


I think a girl can easily demolish your plan throuing you at deep trobles! :roll:


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11 May 2007, 3:02 am

What constitutes "good money" is very subjective. How much money you need is also relative to how much you spend. Not to mention the fact that money doesn't bring happiness, etc...



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11 May 2007, 4:53 am

Space wrote:
What constitutes "good money" is very subjective. How much money you need is also relative to how much you spend. Not to mention the fact that money doesn't bring happiness, etc...

It doesn't bring happiness, but it does eliminate poverty-related unhappiness. I already know how to be happy, the problem is I have to spend my time making money to survive instead of doing those things.



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11 May 2007, 5:51 am

in reality though, poverty is a measure of your wealth in relation to those around you. On an international level, we take this to mean countries who are obviously earning less per capita than we are. That doesn't mean that everyone in that country is, I can guarauntee some countries in the 'poverty' boat have people that earn more than alot of people even here in the UK!



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11 May 2007, 6:19 am

DingoDv wrote:
because of the way the world has become there are no virgin lands - property rights are had for everything and everywhere - no matter where and how you want to live, you would have to pay someone, whether it be the land where you reside, or the animals that you hunt.

Had we lived 400 years ago as pioneers, we may have had a better chance danielismyname.


Not true. There are huge swathes, millions of square miles of vigin land.



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11 May 2007, 6:22 am

thats owned by governments - there was once a time when not everything was owned.



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11 May 2007, 8:38 pm

Danielismyname wrote:
Food trots, flies and swims; grows
Water flows
Air is
Shelter is felled trees
You pay someone to do it for you or you do it yourself
Collective society discourages doing things by yourself
Autism says to do things by yourself

I don’t see where logic states one is more desirable than the other...one might be easier for certain people; but then, that's subjective.


I would love to live off what I could kill in the mountains somewhere away from people, but I'd still have to pay for internet access :P This is a necessity for me because I would get bored very quickly that way.



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12 May 2007, 3:15 am

I understand that poverty is one of the most adverse effects of Asperger's Syndrome.

Money is the best treatment. :P


I'm steadily working on my master plan. Writing seems to be my way out of this rattrap.


(I need computers and two-wheeled conveyances...and I have to take care of my animals and trees. These are my "obsessions" so there it is. I need money.)

Besides, money=freedom. What aspie wants to be forced into a dead-end job with hateful people? Money means you never have to leave the house unless you want to. :D


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12 May 2007, 5:03 am

DingoDv wrote:
he's stupid if he's not charging you rent (a fraction of what you'd pay in the real world, but enough to cover your costs) :)


Why? It's an easy way to transfer value,
without paying taxes on it. Charge rent,
and legally (at least in the US) one is
supposed to report it.



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12 May 2007, 8:22 am

I believe to a large extent that true wealth is having the ability to spend one's time on earth with complete freedom. The freedom to spend a whole day, week, month, year just researching a topic of interest or climbing a mountain because it is interesting etc. I view being wealthy as having maximum posible control over my existance.The ability to act on pursuits without limitation other than that of the imagination.

Ironically the only way to accumulate such wealth is by redistribution. From the many poor to the few rich. In order to have a greater freedom (due to increased wealth), another person(s) must suffer more.

The way the world is going, at some point in the future every atom in the universe will have a specific owner. Eventually we will have to pay for air, but it won't just be that simple. It will be $0.60 per megalitre of "standard" air or for the wealthy another option would exist, $1.80 for luxury hyper filtered air that extends your lifetime by a certain percentage. All the poor ordinary sods will just have to make do with standard quality air that is bad for them as determined by their ordinary salaries. This already happens widely in the world and although it does not apply to something as fundamental as air, it certainly will in time. This is what I hate about global economics. Corporations would have you believe that the pursuit of wealth is the most important value in the world because it is in their best interest. The more money you make, the more you can spend it on the useless BS that they create and manufacture the previously non-existent need for.

I think the way people work in the modern world is inherently unnatural and has very little to do with what we were designed to do as humans which is survival. You could argue that working for a wage is a type of survival but it's not really the same. As much as I would hate to still be living in the stone ages I also consider the evolution of society as a means of continually improving the quality of life to be imperfect. This is my observation and I honestly have not been able to come up with a solution, though I wonder if anyone could. Continued world economic growth is not sustainable forever. I hate that those $2 shops exist, selling crappy little plastic seashells to embellish your fridge with are allowed to exist because they contribute to the countries GDP. The refinement of petroleum is a one way process. You can't put that piece of plastic back in the ground once you decide that the new season is in and now you really must have a plastic sunflower on your fridge. Can you? The earth is continually plundered in any possible way just to make a buck, just to add that little bit more, just that extra 0.1% I have no idea how this can be justified and it bothers the hell out of me. I guess I am just a weirdo that does not need sh***y little plastic things on my fridge to feel like life is worth living.



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12 May 2007, 8:27 am

*massive applause*

That was beautiful nb411, you have summarised everything I feel about the current world, and views that I thought only I held.
GDP is a flawed measure of wealth - heck, if you were to have an oil spill on your countries coast, no matter what the damage to the environment, you would get an increase in GDP - more oil would be pumped, workers woul dhave to be paid for clearup etc.

When I get back on monday, I will try to pull up some references for proper scientific studies that show wealth does not equal happiness.