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03 Oct 2016, 1:14 pm

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You really do have a persecution complex, it isn't insinuating anything about you. A puzzle piece simply suggests that autism is a puzzle, something that isn't fully understood, which is perfectly true.

I'm saying you could perceive it either way. It represents that we're incomplete. By representing Autism as a puzzle piece it means we're not whole. It's perfectly logical.


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03 Oct 2016, 1:22 pm

Everybody is different and everyone is perfectly entitled to subjectively view things in any way that they choose. You choose to see the puzzle piece as representing something negative and objectionable, while I see it as something descriptive of the puzzle that is autism.


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03 Oct 2016, 1:25 pm

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Everybody is different and everyone is perfectly entitled to subjectively view things in any way that they choose. You choose to see the puzzle piece as representing something negative and objectionable, while I see it as something descriptive of the puzzle that is autism.

Yes, but your doing something that is against the rules (insulting someone, not the idea). I never said that your point of view is wrong, I'm just sharing my point of view on the subject, I won't be able to respond to you for about 1 to 1 1/2 hours.


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03 Oct 2016, 1:31 pm

Pieplup wrote:
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Everybody is different and everyone is perfectly entitled to subjectively view things in any way that they choose. You choose to see the puzzle piece as representing something negative and objectionable, while I see it as something descriptive of the puzzle that is autism.

Yes, but your doing something that is against the rules (insulting someone, not the idea). I never said that your point of view is wrong, I'm just sharing my point of view on the subject, I won't be able to respond to you for about 1 to 1 1/2 hours.


Where precisely did I insult you?


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03 Oct 2016, 1:52 pm

I always thought the symbol of autism was someone rocking in the corner of the room with the curtains closed and piles of garbage surrounding them :D



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03 Oct 2016, 3:25 pm

I prefer the rainbow infinity symbol but I do have a thought that may put the puzzle piece in a different & more positive light.

My thought is the puzzle piece could represent that we are a missing piece that society needs to make it whole. Without us many advances in society may not have occurred like they did because many things we take for granted now days came from the mind that thought differently. Autistics as a rule think & perceive differently. These are valuable traits when inventing things.

I have often thought of different inventions before news of them actually came out. Obviously others had similar ideas. When inventing things one not only has to think of one way of doing things but multiple ways of doing it , otherwise it is possible that by changing a minor detail they can get around the patent & copy your invention with the minor change. This type of detailed thought is right up an autistic alley so to speak as Temple Grandin so eloquently pointed out.



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03 Oct 2016, 4:12 pm

Jute wrote:
Pieplup wrote:
Jute wrote:
Everybody is different and everyone is perfectly entitled to subjectively view things in any way that they choose. You choose to see the puzzle piece as representing something negative and objectionable, while I see it as something descriptive of the puzzle that is autism.

Yes, but your doing something that is against the rules (insulting someone, not the idea). I never said that your point of view is wrong, I'm just sharing my point of view on the subject, I won't be able to respond to you for about 1 to 1 1/2 hours.


Where precisely did I insult you?

Jute wrote:
You really do have a persecution complex.

[color=#00b2ff]Here, your saying that I always think, I am being persecuted. [\color]


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04 Oct 2016, 12:54 am

I interpret the puzzle piece as dehumanizing symbol about autistics. We are people, not a puzzle. That people can not understand us is in not our fault generally. Almost any other symbol is preferable.


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04 Oct 2016, 1:17 am

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Thanks everyone!

The puzzle piece just doesn't fit the "flow" of my planned tattoo. So, I think I'll get the rainbow infinity one in there somehow.

I would be fine it I were mistaken as being in the LGBQT community. As a family, we are big supporters of LGBQT rights (we have a rainbow flag outside our home).

But, I'm a straight cis female (I think I did that correctly. I'm a female who likes men who was born and identifies as a female.)


I forgot you were asking about this for a tattoo. I think it would make s nice tattoo. And no problem with LGBQT, except to me it's kind of like mixing applies and oranges as the saying goes.



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04 Oct 2016, 8:16 am

Pieplup wrote:
Here, your saying that I always think, I am being persecuted.


That would be because you interpreted a generalised symbol for autism as as being targeted specifically at you...

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It is insinuating I'm a puzzle piece not a full picture. Which is insinuating I'm broken.


It's also not the first thread in which you've taken a generalised statement or comment as being specificially targeted at yourself, that's why I assumed that you have a persecution complex.


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04 Oct 2016, 8:45 am

Jute wrote:
Pieplup wrote:
Here, your saying that I always think, I am being persecuted.


That would be because you interpreted a generalised symbol for autism as as being targeted specifically at you...

Pieplup wrote:
It is insinuating I'm a puzzle piece not a full picture. Which is insinuating I'm broken.


It's also not the first thread in which you've taken a generalised statement or comment as being specificially targeted at yourself, that's why I assumed that you have a persecution complex.

Well, this is a discussion about symbols for autism... Am I not supposed to state my opinion. No matter what you think.


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04 Oct 2016, 8:49 am

Again, you're assuming a personal attack where none was intended. Where am I supposed to have said that you're not supposed to state your opinion? Did I or did I not already post this earlier in this thread?

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Everybody is different and everyone is perfectly entitled to subjectively view things in any way that they choose. You choose to see the puzzle piece as representing something negative and objectionable, while I see it as something descriptive of the puzzle that is autism.


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04 Oct 2016, 9:09 am

I like the new symbol. Originally the puzzle was given to us by Autistic parents who could not understand their own children. They were "little puzzles". I personally feel like I am a person, not a puzzle, and instead of trying to "figure me out" you should ask me what is going on in my brain. Until recently a lot of non-verbal Autistics were unable to communicate - so what went on inside their brains WAS a puzzle. Now we should help them learn communication so they can speak for themselves.

When I was a child I had problems explaining myself to adults who often spoke for me (most of the time they made wrong assumptions and I could not correct them). If they would have given me time to speak for myself or maybe let me type out a response, my behaviors would have been understood VS punished. There should not be a puzzle IF we have understanding. That is why I do not like the puzzle piece personally - because if Autistic people speak for themselves there should be no more mysteries.

The infinity is a great symbol. I like that it is a happy rainbow, because Autistic people are all over the place. We are all very unique from one another. Also - I think that Autism is a natural shade in human evolution, so it has been and will be around forever - so infinity makes since for me. :)


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04 Oct 2016, 9:26 am

Jute wrote:
Again, you're assuming a personal attack where none was intended. Where am I supposed to have said that you're not supposed to state your opinion? Did I or did I not already post this earlier in this thread?

Jute wrote:
Everybody is different and everyone is perfectly entitled to subjectively view things in any way that they choose. You choose to see the puzzle piece as representing something negative and objectionable, while I see it as something descriptive of the puzzle that is autism.

Are you not taking offense and saying that I have a persecution complex. I could have misinterpreted. If I did I apologize as I didn't understand what you meant by that. I'm sorry I misinterpreted what you said.


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04 Oct 2016, 10:22 am

I loathe the puzzle symbol and find it very offensive. The infinity symbol is much better and I don't care what anyone says.



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04 Oct 2016, 10:35 am

I agree that the rainbow infinity sign is too easily confused with gay pride stuff, if you're going to have a "symbol" then it has to be easily recognizable and not confused with something else.

I don't really get why people are so offended by the a puzzle piece either, a puzzle is not broken but rather just hasn't been put together you. A piece of a complete picture. I think it's simply because Autism Speaks uses it which is hated by people here for some reason, I don't really have an opinion on it.

Why is infinity good, what is that saying? That we go on and on and on forever?