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05 Nov 2016, 1:03 pm

All of this was desperately difficult for me until I retired. Then I decided to stop pleasing the world and be myself. Then I realized I would die alone. So I trained myself on the most important NT behaviours (smiling! the power of a smile!) and decided some stimming is okay outside.

It's a judgement call; I can't decide for anybody else; I don't know your world.

On top of that, face-blindness certainly didn't help. Solution in retirement: smile and nod at everyone and keep going unless they speak to you. Nod often and speak rarely.

The guiding light in this one is give them enough NT behaviours so they'll know you're benevolent but the reality of yourself alive and well.

Good luck!



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05 Nov 2016, 1:25 pm

I find that when I used to belong to a church I used to belong to in the past, I could get away with face blindness episodes because in the congregation we all called each other sister or brother. So you could get often away with not calling someone by name. :D


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05 Nov 2016, 2:12 pm

You should, in moderation. For instance, rather than ordering a special order plain Quarter Pounder, which is hard on the preparation staff, scrape off the stuff you don't like. You can tell what is hard on the staff by how long it usually takes...



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05 Nov 2016, 2:25 pm

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You should, in moderation. For instance, rather than ordering a special order plain Quarter Pounder, which is hard on the preparation staff, scrape off the stuff you don't like. You can tell what is hard on the staff by how long it usually takes...

Why would that be hard on the prep staff?


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05 Nov 2016, 2:50 pm

They aren't set up to serve plain Quarter Pounders--someone has to scrape off the minced onions of partially prepared food. I learned this in college from someone who worked there.

I also realized that you can make a good guess while waiting in lines--Dairy Queen sells ice cream sandwiches but they are also hard on the staff--so I usually order ice cream cones dipped in chocolate. :D



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05 Nov 2016, 3:28 pm

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I must admit, I'm not entirely sure what that means...


It was a bit of a random one :lol:

It's my response to the question "Do you think that Aspies/other ND people should 'typicalise' (force ourselves to act as NTs)?" based mainly on the experience of having a complete mental breakdown as the result of trying and failing to be a "functioning human being" for 3 decades.


Thanks! :D


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05 Nov 2016, 3:33 pm

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Sorry I don't know what ND is. But if your mom is refusing to acknowledge your ASD you will just have to ignore that bit of advice from her and just be who are are naturally and if it bothers her that is just going to have to be her problem. Even if you try to pretend to be NT all the time, you can't. I don't care how well we can pass for a period of time, at some point the ASD traits and symptoms creep out. You can't stop them when they do. Asking someone who is Autistic to act like an NT 100% of the time is like asking someone not to blink ever. It's just not possible. If you push yourself to try to be NT 100% of the time, you will eventually have very serious consequences. You just have to do what is best for you at this point and if it's a point of contention with your mom, it will just have to be one.

Even if you have to spend time every day where you are completely alone, like at a park or locked in your room or wherever you can find a safe space to do the Autistic type things that come naturally to you than please do that. When I spend time alone, I do a lot of stimming and I play with my toys and allow myself to be as Autistic as I need to be. And even in public now, I am allowing myself to be more and more Autistic and not worry about what other people think. But don't let your mom dictate how you need to function. You can make efforts to be as appropriate as you can in whatever situation you are in publicly but when you are at home or when you are alone, let yourself be as authentic and true to yourself as you can possibly be. You might even just need to schedule blocks of time in your day specifically to stim or do your special interest or whatever it is that makes you able to regenerate and refresh your spirit.


Thank you for the advice. :D ND is the shortened version of 'neurodiverse' (the opposite of 'neurotypical'), which is a term used to describe people on the Autism Spectrum and others who don't fit the 'typical' mould as much as most people do. Thank you again! :D


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05 Nov 2016, 3:42 pm

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I think we must learn
1- To always be cognizant of the fact that we are different.
2- That our way is not the only way
3- to learn tricks not to get stuck in our head when we need to be present.
4- to become accepting of situations we don't like rather than expecting others to accommodate us. ( this one is very important!)
5- To stop trying to do the right thing or say the right thing when it is not our place or required. It always back fires!!
" sometimes people with Aspergers take actions without realizing their effect on other people"
6- to learn to be appropriate in public. Not normal because normal is fluid and hard to grasp. To be appropriate and pleasant


As nobody (but two other people my age, not counting my mother, who does not believe it) knows that I suspect I have ASD, nobody accommodates me and my unusual preferences (no bright lights/loud noises/strong displays of affection etc.), so I think I'm alright on that one. I am not inappropriate in public (my friend - who knows - told me that she sees that if I don't know what to do/say I don't do anything, so I don't act inappropriately).

I guess that I cope (and have coped without assistance all through my life), only it seems harsh for my mother to tell me that I can't expect people to accept me as I am. If she thinks there's something wrong with me, why doesn't she give me help instead of denying it and berating my character? :?


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05 Nov 2016, 3:47 pm

skibum wrote:
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You should, in moderation. For instance, rather than ordering a special order plain Quarter Pounder, which is hard on the preparation staff, scrape off the stuff you don't like. You can tell what is hard on the staff by how long it usually takes...

Why would that be hard on the prep staff?


I don't work in fast food and never had but my guess is because when they make burgers, it takes them extra time to make a plain burger that isn't even on their menu and when they are busy and backed up, this can make it more difficult because it slows them down even more and then it takes longer for people to get their orders.


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05 Nov 2016, 3:48 pm

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All of this was desperately difficult for me until I retired. Then I decided to stop pleasing the world and be myself. Then I realized I would die alone. So I trained myself on the most important NT behaviours (smiling! the power of a smile!) and decided some stimming is okay outside.

It's a judgement call; I can't decide for anybody else; I don't know your world.

On top of that, face-blindness certainly didn't help. Solution in retirement: smile and nod at everyone and keep going unless they speak to you. Nod often and speak rarely.

The guiding light in this one is give them enough NT behaviours so they'll know you're benevolent but the reality of yourself alive and well.

Good luck!


Face-blindness is another thing! I cannot recognise people by their faces. Once I was talking to somebody I didn't really know at a conference, turned around to look at something they indicated, then turned back (after one or two seconds) to find that I had no idea who I'd been talking to for the last 5 minutes. People have bullied me because, if they say hello to me when I don't know them, I get confused as to where I've met them before.


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05 Nov 2016, 3:50 pm

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skibum wrote:
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You should, in moderation. For instance, rather than ordering a special order plain Quarter Pounder, which is hard on the preparation staff, scrape off the stuff you don't like. You can tell what is hard on the staff by how long it usually takes...

Why would that be hard on the prep staff?


I don't work in fast food and never had but my guess is because when they make burgers, it takes them extra time to make a plain burger that isn't even on their menu and when they are busy and backed up, this can make it more difficult because it slows them down even more and then it takes longer for people to get their orders.


Aside from the fact that I don't often eat fast food, I have no problem with taste and sensitivity. I would just eat what was offered on the menu! :D


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05 Nov 2016, 3:53 pm

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Lonarabaran wrote:
I think we must learn
1- To always be cognizant of the fact that we are different.
2- That our way is not the only way
3- to learn tricks not to get stuck in our head when we need to be present.
4- to become accepting of situations we don't like rather than expecting others to accommodate us. ( this one is very important!)
5- To stop trying to do the right thing or say the right thing when it is not our place or required. It always back fires!!
" sometimes people with Aspergers take actions without realizing their effect on other people"
6- to learn to be appropriate in public. Not normal because normal is fluid and hard to grasp. To be appropriate and pleasant


As nobody (but two other people my age, not counting my mother, who does not believe it) knows that I suspect I have ASD, nobody accommodates me and my unusual preferences (no bright lights/loud noises/strong displays of affection etc.), so I think I'm alright on that one. I am not inappropriate in public (my friend - who knows - told me that she sees that if I don't know what to do/say I don't do anything, so I don't act inappropriately).

I guess that I cope (and have coped without assistance all through my life), only it seems harsh for my mother to tell me that I can't expect people to accept me as I am. If she thinks there's something wrong with me, why doesn't she give me help instead of denying it and berating my character? :?



She might not realize you have a condition. Because you look normal, she assumes you're normal so she is treating you as such. She thinks you can change and sees your symptoms as behavior or habits. Another thing, it could be denial. Some people seem to think that if they ignore a problem, it's not there and it will go away.

And in reality, not everyone is going to accept you and that is true for NTs too. :D We can't accept everyone.


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05 Nov 2016, 3:55 pm

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They aren't set up to serve plain Quarter Pounders--someone has to scrape off the minced onions of partially prepared food. I learned this in college from someone who worked there.

I also realized that you can make a good guess while waiting in lines--Dairy Queen sells ice cream sandwiches but they are also hard on the staff--so I usually order ice cream cones dipped in chocolate. :D

Oh. That is interesting.


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05 Nov 2016, 3:58 pm

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skibum wrote:
Sorry I don't know what ND is. But if your mom is refusing to acknowledge your ASD you will just have to ignore that bit of advice from her and just be who are are naturally and if it bothers her that is just going to have to be her problem. Even if you try to pretend to be NT all the time, you can't. I don't care how well we can pass for a period of time, at some point the ASD traits and symptoms creep out. You can't stop them when they do. Asking someone who is Autistic to act like an NT 100% of the time is like asking someone not to blink ever. It's just not possible. If you push yourself to try to be NT 100% of the time, you will eventually have very serious consequences. You just have to do what is best for you at this point and if it's a point of contention with your mom, it will just have to be one.

Even if you have to spend time every day where you are completely alone, like at a park or locked in your room or wherever you can find a safe space to do the Autistic type things that come naturally to you than please do that. When I spend time alone, I do a lot of stimming and I play with my toys and allow myself to be as Autistic as I need to be. And even in public now, I am allowing myself to be more and more Autistic and not worry about what other people think. But don't let your mom dictate how you need to function. You can make efforts to be as appropriate as you can in whatever situation you are in publicly but when you are at home or when you are alone, let yourself be as authentic and true to yourself as you can possibly be. You might even just need to schedule blocks of time in your day specifically to stim or do your special interest or whatever it is that makes you able to regenerate and refresh your spirit.


Thank you for the advice. :D ND is the shortened version of 'neurodiverse' (the opposite of 'neurotypical'), which is a term used to describe people on the Autism Spectrum and others who don't fit the 'typical' mould as much as most people do. Thank you again! :D
You are very welcome. I hope I was able to help. Thank you for telling me what ND meant. I know the concept of Neurodiverse I had just not known the abbreviation. Thank you.


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05 Nov 2016, 4:03 pm

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My mother tells me that I am selfish to want people to accept me the way I am, and that I should learn to act NT all the time. I

That's a rather horrible for thing for her to say.

Lonarabaran wrote:
I think we must learn
1- To always be cognizant of the fact that we are different.
2- That our way is not the only way
3- to learn tricks not to get stuck in our head when we need to be present.
4- to become accepting of situations we don't like rather than expecting others to accommodate us. ( this one is very important!)
5- To stop trying to do the right thing or say the right thing when it is not our place or required. It always back fires!!
" sometimes people with Aspergers take actions without realizing their effect on other people"
6- to learn to be appropriate in public. Not normal because normal is fluid and hard to grasp. To be appropriate and pleasant

Numbers 2, 3, 5 and 6 seem like good advice, but numbers 1 and 4, I disagree with. Everybody's different, no sense worrying about it; and, regarding accepting situations we don't like: this is terrible advice for anyone. I won't put myself in an uncomfortable situation to satisfy someone else's vision of what is appropriate.



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05 Nov 2016, 4:06 pm

Once you are of legal age, if you choose to and if you are able to, you can get an official diagnosis on your own. That might be helpful to you. Of course you will have to decide if it is something you want but you definitely want to give this some thought. Once I got the official diagnosis, it really helped my parents understand that I had something real. But for now, I think the best thing you can do is to make sure that you schedule time every day to spend alone or exactly how you see fit to help you so that you can do things that you need to do no matter how Autistic they are. This is super important.


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