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DeaconBlues
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13 May 2007, 10:57 pm

Okay, we've defined what you mean by "creative".

How about "stable"? How would you define that?

Before we can have a meaningful discussion, after all, we must define what we mean by such abstract terms...


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13 May 2007, 11:23 pm

Stability:
I can stand on one foot for a long time; that’s pretty stable to me. Mentally, I’m an emotional mess that only I can see; I appear peachy otherwise.
Creativity:
I haven’t created anything....



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14 May 2007, 1:43 am

my imagination is my best quality.
my stability is my worst.


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14 May 2007, 1:46 am

I'm not stable. I get stressed, anxious and upset easily and I occasionally have meltdowns.

But I'm quite a creative person, mostly in artistic way. I write poetry and draw sometimes.



14 May 2007, 2:25 am

I can write stories and I find ways to dealing with my own problems because I find a way around it.


Stable, I don't know. It be up for my friends to decide and my boyfriend



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14 May 2007, 2:26 am

Heh, well I am neither.



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14 May 2007, 6:30 am

Stable? I don't think so - I have a marlked tendency to become anxious and fretful, my temper can sometimes get the better of me (much to my chagrin), and my mood goes up and down like a rollercoaster.

As for being creative... I've written more than 70 stories that I've published online, and I'm trying to muster the energies needed to write a comic script I can submit to an independent publisher.


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14 May 2007, 10:56 pm

Cade wrote:
The problem is that you have history and a long, long list of influence creative persons who have had some degree of mental illness or some other dysfunction that highly suggest that there's correlation. A friend of mine and I once had a long discussion about this after seeing the movie Pollack. My friend, aprof of philosophy at the time, surmised that creative people are more sensitive and "open" to the world around them, and so they tend to be more vulnerable to stress. I think that's part of it. One of the problem many unstable, creative people suffer with is lacking those"filters" that normal people seem to have, and it's amized blessing. On one hand, they can see endless possibilities and inspirations, and on the other, they are unable to shut out a lot of things that overwhelm the pysche.

I think also another part of it is simple neurology, that preceeds psyhchology. Highly creative people often aren't that far removed from those ultra-creative people, the savants, who are wired in a way that all they can do on a functional level is be creative. With a savant, brain activity that would otherwise be used for varied, mundane tasks gets funneled into one narrow area, so the brain is hypercharged in that one area yet deficient in several others. In highly creative people who aren't savants, it's more like a lot of brain activity goes into the creative area, and this is drain on the other areas. So other varied, mundane task suffer, even though the brain isn't as deficient in these task as it would be for a savant.

A lot of researchers think that if you can get a savant to learn mundane tasks on a functional level, their savantism will suffer, because that's draining brain activity from that area. There's even some evidence that's true. If so, this happenes with highly creative people, but on a more subtle levels. Honestly, I think I'm living proof of that. I had savant-like gifts as a child, which began to fade as I got into my teen years and learned more diverse skills. Nowadays, it's very hard to find a balance. It's like my brain can only handle so much at one time. I can get myself into gear and be functional and all, but then my creativity suffers. And when I focus more on my creativity, I start having trouble being functional in other ways. In way I think that a cycle is good for me, because whatever my brain does, it does it intensely, and I can really burn myself out. Then i start coming unhinged and it ain't pretty. The problem is, where am I going ot find a job that lets me work two weeks, and then go off and write or play guitar for the next two weeks? This is why I'm so determined to become a writer, so I can have more control over my schedule. But unto then I'm pretty much struggling to keep my sanity.


I think you are really on to something. Dave Thomas (founder of Wendys) was a succesful self made businesman. He was loved but unknowen to his kids and was divorced. This is a typical story with many succesfull businesmen. Why? Because they have to delve into the details of what they do so deeply that other things must suffer for the improved acheivement or success of their busines projects. This sounds like the same story for artists. Anyone who wishes to become a champion runner must run as much as possible. What suffers sometimes are specific things like not being up to date with Seinfeld episodes, or it could be a ballance of everything that will lack. In the end there is one full glass of water for every individual (some have bigger or smaller glasses) but how the water gets distributed can determine successes in certain areas (or deficiencies in others). What is a measurement for success?



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15 May 2007, 9:36 am

Well, we CAN be stable and creative. I'm living proof of that. But I'm stable because I HAVE to be. I don't have a choice in it. No one around me can tolerate nor understand me being unstable. Everyone I interact with like to consider themselves "evolved" on the evolutionary chart and are incapable of dealing with a nutjob Aspie showing his ass. Plus, I take of my elderly Father and he is the most straight laced, straight-shooting who has the capability of ONLY understanding his life and no one else's. I could take off this fake skin I wear, this mask, and shjow him who I trully am but he and everyone else wouldn't understand it. I would very appear to be the mentally unbalanced ass-wipe that I really am.

So I am bottled up here inside this shell of a life. With no option to become my real self.

So can Aspies be stable and creative? Well yes. I'm an Aspie and an artist. I have been able to retain a single shred of my creativity. But if I could become the person I really am on the inside, free of the chains of NT opression, I would be this nut job artist Aspie, insane, crazy and a prolific artist. Not a rich artist. Maybe not a well known artist. But just an artist free onthe wings of life and creating art all over the place.



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15 May 2007, 10:13 am

markaudette wrote:
Well, we CAN be stable and creative. I'm living proof of that. But I'm stable because I HAVE to be. I don't have a choice in it. No one around me can tolerate nor understand me being unstable. Everyone I interact with like to consider themselves "evolved" on the evolutionary chart and are incapable of dealing with a nutjob Aspie showing his ass. Plus, I take of my elderly Father and he is the most straight laced, straight-shooting who has the capability of ONLY understanding his life and no one else's. I could take off this fake skin I wear, this mask, and shjow him who I trully am but he and everyone else wouldn't understand it. I would very appear to be the mentally unbalanced ass-wipe that I really am.

So I am bottled up here inside this shell of a life. With no option to become my real self.

So can Aspies be stable and creative? Well yes. I'm an Aspie and an artist. I have been able to retain a single shred of my creativity. But if I could become the person I really am on the inside, free of the chains of NT opression, I would be this nut job artist Aspie, insane, crazy and a prolific artist. Not a rich artist. Maybe not a well known artist. But just an artist free onthe wings of life and creating art all over the place.


As far as I'm concerned, this sums it up perfectly. We must be stable, especially those of us who have responsibilties to others. We create our own stability. We are stable and creative because we choose to be.



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15 May 2007, 11:19 am

richardbenson wrote:
Sopho wrote:
I'm creative.
Not stable though. :?


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15 May 2007, 11:19 am

But I'm working on it. :wink:


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15 May 2007, 11:35 am

I think I am probably the most stable i have ever been right now...and I guess I am nothing if not creative..though often I have trouble physically manifesting the stuff I visualize...and alot of time lately, my (ahem) addictions get in the way of my creativity.... :(



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17 May 2007, 9:19 am

Stable? Not a chance. Creative? Immensily.
Left handedness + Aspergers = Mad creativity.


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18 May 2007, 1:52 am

I'm a left handed creative type. I have moments of craziness I suppose, although for the most part I have my s**t together.

My parents and my boss would describe me as level headed, and say it every now and then.



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18 May 2007, 4:24 am

i can't be creative, i have 100% logic, 0% creativity in my brain