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18 Dec 2016, 10:59 am

I probably err on the side of optimism regarding my general acceptability - it takes several incidents to look like a pattern to me - but a blanket "everybody hates me" attitude is statistically suspect. A lot of plain ignorance can pass for malice if we expect it, and vice-versa. If everybody hates everyone except two people, they are natural allies. On my school bus, there was one other guy who didn't fit into the other interest groups, so we had a fine time sharing a seat. However, if you criticize the top dogs in your town without lots of allies, you will never have good luck in that place. Getting ostracized and leaving is no fun, but it does improve your odds of making friends.



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18 Dec 2016, 12:49 pm

When I was in elementary school, kids also did the same to me. They would tell other kids about me including new kids to turn them against me. I tried doing that in 6th grade and it backfired but I was doing it to a mean kid, not to an innocent kid. But yet this only works if you're normal. If you're different, it will backfire. Unless there is something I am missing.

When I was in high school, everyone seemed to knew me and I didn't even know who all those kids were and even junior high kids knew who I was so I figured I must have given myself a notoriety in middle school. It was a small town so there was lot of gossip. If you did something that stood out, everyone knew about it. Even kids in the other school would know about it. There were even rumors about me in high school and after but not bad ones.


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19 Dec 2016, 9:25 pm

I wasn't bullied too much.
And I have very high self esteem so that sort of thing doesn't touch me. I'm not afraid to fight, and had pleanty of scuffles. No one knew I was AS, not even me.
But I do agree that the gossip/rumours do travel.



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19 Dec 2016, 10:47 pm

I'd really like to see a study on how much damage gossip does. I suspect that once a rumour gets started, various people steadily embellish it to seem better by comparison, and each increment of lying is small enough to never be challenged.



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19 Dec 2016, 11:54 pm

I believe that gossip has the potential to incite murder in a small community and island like Jersey.
It is a shame that people are of such a lower nature that they are only too ready to believe such slander and act upon it, i am not sure if this is to do with IQ or spirituality or lack of should i say.

I personally do not understand it, however this may be due to asperger traits and objectivity.
Personally, where some psychologists may say that we misinterpret information to signal danger (because the NT's are sadistic ignorant ass holes) I start to wonder if the psychologists do so because either they believe the bs that the sociopathic nt come out with or are as sociopathic themselves.

But there we go. i dearly hope that people aren't as bad as i think they are, although at present i have no experience to say that they are not apart from perhaps my parents kind treatment of me and some positive experiences with tibetans, who at least express themselves on the side of compassion. I have not lived among the tibetans long term, so that may tern out to be as bad as the westerners. Hopefully not.



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20 Dec 2016, 12:36 am

schopenhauer with a keyboard wrote:
Jabberwokky wrote:
Very interesting coincidence. I think that most people in New Zealand have no idea about Aspergers/HFA. The general view is that all autism is the same basic thing. So wrong. Its not really worth explaining I find. I don't think its worse than anywhere else in the world though. Humanity is much the same everywhere with regards to Aspergers. I come from South Africa originally and it was worse there.


yeah people here are quite clueless on a lot of mental health issues really, even doctors (and physical health in my experience).

interesting note about south africa.
i'm not really qualified to speak on that but i did hear there's quite a crime problem there so i guess if you're not a guy with social status you're valued extra lowly there, or they're just not laid back enough to have patience for autism or something, idk maybe you can elaborate on your experience there.

i did hear that asia and certain places in europe like finland were more introvert-friendly than the west though.


When I was in South Africa, everyone was very busy discriminating against everyone else. It was (and probably still is a very internally antagonistic country. Of course, in relation to those who you happen to belong to (often racially defined or largely so), it is important to be accepted. To be clear on this, you don't choose who you associate with socially/culturally, you just are what you are. I mean, its not possible to choose your race group. Gender identity is prescribed as well unless someone had a sex change. Anyhow, as an Aspie, you really were forced to fit in with the social group you happen to be part of. Not a lot of choice, if any. It was all very culturally and socially claustrophobic such that when it all finally broke (with democracy etc) there was this very colourful explosion of cultural alternative culture. It became quite easy to be an aspie in that stage, because it was cool to live by your own rules and odd behaviour (such as Aspie behaviour) was fashionable. It was a similar variant on how the "geek"/"nerd" became cool globally. Not sure how it has turned out recently because I have not been back to South Africa in 11 years.


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21 Dec 2016, 10:58 pm

New Zealanders are not extroverted, but they aren't introverted either.
They kind of pretend to be egalitarian, until they find out you are not normal that is.

There is only one person in NZ that can diagnose AS I believe.

It's my belief that NT's are not logical in their thinking. They decide based on what the group's conclusion is.
Infact the decision is not even the same from day to day, it is fluid and can change at any moment due to the result of emotions among the group.