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Ecomatt91
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16 Jan 2017, 10:24 pm

To be honest I find young people are naive, immature and lack of problem solving abilities. Their minds are too addicted to socialisation of same-same people.

I always struggle to have conversations with young people these days. They put a lot of pressure on me forcing to make the situation awkward, creepy and scary. I am like 'what I did is wrong?'. They make assumptions blaming me. I find adults older than 30 are more mature and doesn't make biased, highly critical and nonsense statements like naive young people.



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17 Jan 2017, 9:22 am

Ecomatt91 wrote:
To be honest I find young people are naive, immature and lack of problem solving abilities. Their minds are too addicted to socialisation of same-same people.

I always struggle to have conversations with young people these days. They put a lot of pressure on me forcing to make the situation awkward, creepy and scary. I am like 'what I did is wrong?'. They make assumptions blaming me. I find adults older than 30 are more mature and doesn't make biased, highly critical and nonsense statements like naive young people.


You do definitely have to speak to young people differently. I think it's always been this way, but now I feel like there's this heavy social expectation on the older person to make themselves understandable to the younger person. I recall it being the opposite when I was young, maybe I'm misremembering, though.

I used to spend time with my uncle before he settled down and had kids. Conversations with him would go something like this:

Uncle in 1994: "What kind of music do you like?"
Me: "I've been listening to this guy named Beck."
Uncle: "Jeff Beck!?! Oh he's fantastic!"
Me: "Who?"
Uncle: "JEFF BECK?? You don't know who JEFF BECK is? OHHH, [uses an irritating nickname for me here], man, HOW can you NOT KNOW about JEFF BECK...???"
And I'd just have to be polite about it while he mused over how dumb I must be for not knowing about this old hippy guy he likes.

I can only imagine what would happen if I spoke to my own neice like that. She'd probably say I was being "verbally abusive."



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17 Jan 2017, 1:09 pm

SocOfAutism wrote:
Ecomatt91 wrote:
To be honest I find young people are naive, immature and lack of problem solving abilities. Their minds are too addicted to socialisation of same-same people.

I always struggle to have conversations with young people these days. They put a lot of pressure on me forcing to make the situation awkward, creepy and scary. I am like 'what I did is wrong?'. They make assumptions blaming me. I find adults older than 30 are more mature and doesn't make biased, highly critical and nonsense statements like naive young people.


You do definitely have to speak to young people differently. I think it's always been this way, but now I feel like there's this heavy social expectation on the older person to make themselves understandable to the younger person. I recall it being the opposite when I was young, maybe I'm misremembering, though.

I used to spend time with my uncle before he settled down and had kids. Conversations with him would go something like this:

Uncle in 1994: "What kind of music do you like?"
Me: "I've been listening to this guy named Beck."
Uncle: "Jeff Beck!?! Oh he's fantastic!"
Me: "Who?"
Uncle: "JEFF BECK?? You don't know who JEFF BECK is? OHHH, [uses an irritating nickname for me here], man, HOW can you NOT KNOW about JEFF BECK...???"
And I'd just have to be polite about it while he mused over how dumb I must be for not knowing about this old hippy guy he likes.

I can only imagine what would happen if I spoke to my own neice like that. She'd probably say I was being "verbally abusive."



Have times changed that people are now calling anything abusive now?


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17 Jan 2017, 1:25 pm

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Have times changed that people are now calling anything abusive now?


Yes! I'm not exaggerating!

I would even go so far as to say that the people who use extreme language like this do actually think they are experiencing abuse. Ordinarily I would say let's accommodate people, but with things like hurt feelings, irritation, or misunderstandings I don't think it's possible to avoid those things.



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17 Jan 2017, 1:35 pm

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Have times changed that people are now calling anything abusive now?


Yes! I'm not exaggerating!

I would even go so far as to say that the people who use extreme language like this do actually think they are experiencing abuse. Ordinarily I would say let's accommodate people, but with things like hurt feelings, irritation, or misunderstandings I don't think it's possible to avoid those things.


When you look up the word abuse, it mentions about causing harm but where do you draw the line for it?

I mean calling a kid over and over stupid is abuse but what about any other language that makes a kid feel so bad about themselves they suffer low self esteem, abuse? And what if what you are telling the kid is the truth so you tell them over and over they are mean or rude or naughty (whenever they are) and it affects their self esteem so much they have anxiety and stuff they think they are actually bad people and can't do anything right, then what? I guess that is when the parents should take their child to therapy because that wouldn't be a normal reaction would it the kid is having? That is what a reasonable parent would do anyway, take their kid to a therapist if that was how they were responding to the situation.


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17 Jan 2017, 2:03 pm

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When you look up the word abuse, it mentions about causing harm but where do you draw the line for it?

I mean calling a kid over and over stupid is abuse but what about any other language that makes a kid feel so bad about themselves they suffer low self esteem, abuse? And what if what you are telling the kid is the truth so you tell them over and over they are mean or rude or naughty (whenever they are) and it affects their self esteem so much they have anxiety and stuff they think they are actually bad people and can't do anything right, then what? I guess that is when the parents should take their child to therapy because that wouldn't be a normal reaction would it the kid is having? That is what a reasonable parent would do anyway, take their kid to a therapist if that was how they were responding to the situation.


That's a perfect example. On the one hand that clearly sounds abusive, but then if the parent really doesn't have a clue I'm not sure that's fair.



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17 Jan 2017, 2:53 pm

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When you look up the word abuse, it mentions about causing harm but where do you draw the line for it?

I mean calling a kid over and over stupid is abuse but what about any other language that makes a kid feel so bad about themselves they suffer low self esteem, abuse? And what if what you are telling the kid is the truth so you tell them over and over they are mean or rude or naughty (whenever they are) and it affects their self esteem so much they have anxiety and stuff they think they are actually bad people and can't do anything right, then what? I guess that is when the parents should take their child to therapy because that wouldn't be a normal reaction would it the kid is having? That is what a reasonable parent would do anyway, take their kid to a therapist if that was how they were responding to the situation.


That's a perfect example. On the one hand that clearly sounds abusive, but then if the parent really doesn't have a clue I'm not sure that's fair.


Well I was that kid. I could never understand why I could never stay out of trouble and why was I always bad and kids always thought I was mean and I was called rude and I had negative labels pinned on me by my peers. I think my mom stopped calling me negative names whenever I was those when she realized. I am not saying she was abusive because lot of parents tell their kids they are mean or rude and naughty and stuff when they are and I don't know if it was my anxiety or if I took it too literal. I think lot of kids forget but I didn't because I clung onto the words even though I didn't know what they meant then. It was enough for me to remember even if it wasn't on a daily basis but it still felt all the time.


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17 Jan 2017, 5:32 pm

Ecomatt91 wrote:
Yes, they spend so much time ignoring Aspies like me
Maybe a direct consequence of your crass over-generalisations regarding 'non-autistics'?

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and focused on 'normal or mainstream' social activities that belong to their normal minds.
Examples? Do you mean things such as, say, eating, paying bills, talking to others i.e. general human activities?

I'm forgetting we aspies just have the greatest minds, and others couldn't even begin to grasp how great all our thoughts are.


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That is discriminating and bigotry.
If I'm in the company of a rapist and don't suggest we go out and do some raping, am I discriminating?


Clearly you're somewhat presently annoyed at non-autistics.

We could all agree with you and make you feel better?

But that would probably just reinforce your own view - which appears to be nothing more than vapid complaining.


Show some respect for others if you want respect yourself. Like autistics, there are some good and some not-so-good non-autistics. There are plenty of autistic sheeple.



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17 Jan 2017, 7:27 pm

I like Jeff Beck!

Jeff Beck was with the Yardbirds, which was an influential group in the 1960s.

He's supposed to be one of the best guitarists of all time. Right up there with Eric Clapton, but not as great as Jimi Hendrix.



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17 Jan 2017, 8:30 pm

I didn't know who jeff beck was and I was a teenager in the 60's. :doh: :albino:
I was really out of it, kind of ret*d and didn't have a normal youth.



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17 Jan 2017, 11:41 pm

I remember one time when I had a work experience at Value Village, 22 years ago. I was figuring out where to put an oddly shaded green blouse on the clothing rack. That woman gave me intense eye-contact and a horrible smile and she said in a overly polite way, "I guess it would be a florescent green, wouldn't it?" I felt like punching her in the face, but of course I didn't do that. I didn't want my work experience to be terminated on the first day.


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18 Jan 2017, 6:23 pm

Fine. I made a mistake making this thread. Yep the society is so right about me. I am naive, idiotic, rudest aspie ever. That why I am stuck with social isolation, poor treatment and virgin at nearly 26 years old. Yep they are right about me. I am a sheepie idiotic.



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18 Jan 2017, 6:26 pm

Some people do make a big deal over everything, others like myself and most Aspie's, just sit by and watch.


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