Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder?

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This is dued to a phenomenon called clinomorphism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinomorphism

The packrat tendency, common in AS, is found in OCPD and not in OCD (at least that's what wikipedia says).

I don't have the book in front of me, but from what I remember, what he described sounded exactly like OCD, not what I've read of OCPD. There were some particular aspects of it more common to people with AS, but they were very much OCD issues, not OCPD.



Logical or not, I'm sure he's correct that many people with AS have OCD-and what he was describing was very much OCD.

Stimming isn't logical either, nor are many other things Aspies do...and I think some OCD stuff can basically be thought of as a form of stimming.

Zhaozhou, THANK YOU! I am going to use that reference so often now!

I love this bit:

There are SO many differences and for me, that is the defining one. Well, the most defining one at least. I pride myself on my rational ability (being a philosophy student) and don't like to get mixed up with different types.

Monk looks like classic OCD to me, and I can really relate to him and situations on there (especially

I do have some OCPD traits too, but also OCD stuff, and Monk definitely looks OCD to me, as was what Tony Attwood was describing.

The packrat thing isn't what Tony Attwood was describing in the book-he was very much describing OCD symptoms.

It appears that OCD AND OCPD may both be comorbid with AS quite frequently.

I have the book in front of me. He describes OCD, which is typical OCD fare - then he goes on to mention the more common aspects of aspies with 'OCD':Now, after reading that see which you think is more fitting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive- ... e_disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OCPD

Like I say, intelligent and learned people can be wrong, especialy given that he makes no specific reference to differentiate between the two therefore it seems he's run away with a 'one size fits all' obsessive disorder. Read above.

Stimming is not illogical, it's like pacing - just a comforting repetitive movement. OCD rituals have an associated effect through the repetition - most common being hand cleaning = clean hands. But light switches, turning on the spot, etc prevent plane crashes and whatnot - there is a purpose behind these rituals, as irrational as it may be.

Although I may not be an expert on AS, AFAIK people with AS may have a tendency not to throw things away. This is shown even in Mozart & the Whale. I didn't even come up with the term "packrat" myself, I read it on this forum.

(sometimes I keep even used gauzes. I throw them away only after a few days )

A lot of things are comorbid with AS. This syndrome likes the company of other syndromes

I've been diagnosed with it.

I don't have OCD or OCPD
However i kind of have the money thing a bit.
"Adopting a miserly spending style toward both self and others; money is viewed as something to be hoarded for future catastrophes"

I feel a bit of guilt when i spend too much money.
I always want to make sure i spend less than i have coming in.
In this i'm the excact opposite of my brother.

That's out of context. He's saying those are TYPICAL for children with AS. Right before that he describes the "compulsions" part of OCD, and right after says it's the intensity and degree that matters.

Reading through the OCD one, what he's talking about all sound like OCD symptoms, some shared with OCPD.

That section of the book is specifically about anxiety disorders, which OCD is (and I'm not sure...maybe OCPD isn't?)

Stimming is not illogical, it's like pacing - just a comforting repetitive movement. OCD rituals have an associated effect through the repetition - most common being hand cleaning = clean hands. But light switches, turning on the spot, etc prevent plane crashes and whatnot - there is a purpose behind these rituals, as irrational as it may be.[/quote]

Wait...I may be confused, but are you saying those things are all rational now? I'm not quite sure what you're saying. OCD things are done to reduce stress-I think they're similar to, or maybe just a form of stimming.



That's a REALLY good thing to have!

I'm not sure what I was originally responding to now. I wasn't saying that the packrat thing isn't associated with AS.


A lot of things are comorbid with AS. This syndrome likes the company of other syndromes [/quote]

It's no wonder AS is so confusing. I'm also confused by it's relation to ADD (as per that other thread) since ADD seems to backwards from a lot of things in AS. And now I'm getting confused between the differences of OCD nad OCPD.

Unfortunately I have OCD stuff, and it looks like I may also have OCPD. Hurray! Thankfully I don't have either to the point that they control my life though.

Sorry for a THIRD post in a row, but...

I just read that clinomorphism page, and kind of have a problem with the OCD entry. Especially with regards to Monk. At least in the first season, he seems to have so much classic OCD stuff. Plus OCD and OCPD are obviously similar regardless, and not like people thinking schizophrenia is multiple personality disorder (a case where the two things are clearly not even slightly related).

OCD and OCPD seem pretty confusing to me. I'm going to run through the listed things for how they relate to me, just for myself if nothing else.

For OCD:
-I used to have more of the “bad thoughts” things pop into my head-like I’d have the thought my mom was going to die, or I was going to get cancer, or something like that, and would kind of do the “cancel out” thing that’s listed. Now the main thing that pops up in my head from time to time is times when I’ve said the wrong thing (could be earlier today, or 15 years ago). So I guess that counts as an OCD thing.
I’ve run through my other OCD things in other threads. Thankfully I’m not affected by them all that much anymore (except when I get super stressed out).

For OCPD:

* Showing perfectionism that interferes with task completion (e.g., is unable to complete a project because his or her own overly strict standards are not met)[/quote]

I sort of do these. I can be really bad about starting something because I don’t think I’ll do it right, though I don’t let that stop me from finishing something.



Nope, not at all. I like my leisure time, thank you very much.



I might be…would this fit into the social justice thing that infuriates many people with AS?



I’m not sure about what they mean by this. I have a hard time getting rid of things, but that’s because I *don’t* think they’re worthless. I think “what if I need this”? I also hate having to replace worn out shoes or whatever, because it feels wasteful. I don’t keep things that really are worthless and have no sentimental value. I could definitely be described as a mild packrat, but I keep things in case I NEED them.



Kind of, yeah. I have to force myself to calm down about things like this at work. I frequently just prefer to do things myself so I know they’ll get done correctly.



Sort of, in dumb ways.

Sorry, that was lax on my part. In the book he mentions 25% of people with AS having 'OCD' and then immediately puts that stuff above. Page 138. Should have said that before. So no, it it's not out of context.

I'm saying that OCD is mostly irrational here; there is cause and effect in OCD but not a rational one, as illustrated by my previous examples - and that stimming isn't even conscious - rationality doesn't come into it.

Well, looking at the examples you give, the worrying about things you've said and 'bad thouggts' does seem OCD-ish, I must admit.

However, I still think it's fair to say that OCPD is WAY to often labelled as OCD just because of psychiatrists/GPs not giving due attention.

I'm thinking about this... I think stimming can be at least partly conscious, and OCD stuff at least partly unconscious ...and for me both are done to reduce stress or at least seem to increase TONS when I'm stressed. So they seem like aspects of the same thing to me. At least for someone who probably has both AS and OCD.



Yeah, probably. I don't think I'd ever even heard of it until you posted this (and hadn't heard of AS until I was told I probably had it last year).

Looking those over, I'm not sure how much I ever really suffered from the "Obsessions" half of OCD, beyond having stuff pop in my head.

I haven't seen Monk recently, but he really did seem like OCD to me from what I remember...or maybe I'm just thinking that because he matched stuff I do (only in a more overblown way), and what I was comparing it to wasn't really OCD either.

Oh well, I still think OCD and OCPD are a heck of a lot more similar than other things people mix up, like schizophrenia and disassociative identity disorder, which aren't even related. (Although I've kind of learned from that site that apparently even schizophrenia isn't exactly what I thought it was.)

When you think about it, this stuff is SO CONFUSING to even LABEL correctly, let alone actually DO anything about it! We just know so little about the brain.

Non fait. Anxiety disorders (including obsessive-compulsive disorder) are highly comorbid with Asperger's syndrome. I formerly had a diagnosis of OCD, and I wrote about it on LiveJournal's asperger community:


The confusion is understandable. Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder really should go by a different name (the ICD-10 uses anankastic personality disorder). Anyway it is altogether possible for one to have both OCD and OCPD; and further it's possible to have AS, OCD, and OCPD. For example, to my OCD symptoms, I can add behaviors more suggestive of OCPD: I have a stack of Game Boy and Game Boy Advance game boxes stacked in my closet or that I used to follow rules compulsively and couldn't understand why other people wouldn't follow rules to the letter (I've tried to become more flexible in this regard since it tended to alienate me from others).

All of this:

...sounds like OCD to me. Hand washing is common in OCPD, just not the getting-the-metal-scourer-out type. OCPD is concerned with germs, OCD is more to do with a metaphorical tch that can't always be scratched.

It's all about perfectionism and balance. OCD is about fear.