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15 Jan 2017, 3:43 pm

I'm extremely withdrawn, and dislike socializing. Diagnosed Asperger's.



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15 Jan 2017, 4:06 pm

I prefer to escape into my own head. If I had been diagnosed prior to DSM 5, I would've been diagnosed with Asperger's because I didn't have the speech delay.

Every time I hear people describe differences between HFA and Asperger's, I feel that the description of HFA fits me better, except for the speech delay part.


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15 Jan 2017, 4:18 pm

I often wonder if it's all really the same condition but just on another level. To me it's like saying colds and flu are the same thing because there are a few similar symptoms. However there are some people who can never lead an independent life who are classed as the same condition as those they say are geniuses. Plus USA no longer go with the world wide definition of Asperger's, when there are different symptoms, such as IQ levels and Aspergers doesn't have speech delay and has motor difficulties.
I'm finding it difficult to look for help with Asperger's when they class it the same as what they call low functioning autism.



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15 Jan 2017, 4:34 pm

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Plus USA no longer go with the world wide definition of Asperger's, when there are different symptoms, such as IQ levels and Aspergers doesn't have speech delay and has motor difficulties.

HFA is average or above average IQ, the same as AS, motor difficulties aren't required for AS, nor are they excluded for HFA. Missing speech milestones seems to be the only difference between the two which I think is why they've combined them in the US and will do worldwide next year.



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15 Jan 2017, 8:27 pm

I'm an aspie and I can carry on two-way conversations with one or two other people when I want to, but I am less social than ever now. I just don't feel motivated to do so. I need to be able to enjoy my interests and hobbies and I only really can when I'm alone with no interruptions or distractions. It wasn't all that long ago when I had to live in an environment where I was lucky to have any privacy at all.



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15 Jan 2017, 10:04 pm

I like to spend half of my time socializing with people and the other half of my time alone, in my own head.


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16 Jan 2017, 1:22 am

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I feel like every autistic (not Aspie) wants to escape into their own mind and stay there. I feel like everyone I know with Aspergers is the opposite; they want to engage the world head on and get out of their heads.
I use the example with myself, a high-functioning autistic, and my roommate, who has Aspergers. I am more likely to disengage and escape to books, homework, etc. On the other hand, my roommate is either talking to people or out exercising.
Is this true about you? I want to know.

Tbh, autism and Aspergers are going to be listed as the same disorder now. It's confusing and you may or may not be aware of that but I just wanted to point it out. I'm an Aspie and I would say I'm like you. I would try to focus on my favorite song, pretend that I am in an imaginary situation, or draw or paint or anything else that interests me to get away from the world when I'm too embarassed about myself.


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16 Jan 2017, 2:06 am

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Nope, I'm diagnosed Asperger's but I'm not at all extroverted. Even wrongplanet gets too much and I keep taking breaks from here. I really just prefer being by myself. I don't seek people out like I assume your roommate does.

I'll be honest, I'm tired of people talking about "Asperger's" being a different condition than autism. "Asperger's" IS autism

I agree. Some people here keep insisting it's different though which I don't get. I wonder if the diagnostic labels on our profiles will ever change, especially when the ICD 11 comes out, removing "other autism spectrum disorder" and having "ASD" instead of "Aspergers".

I think part of the reason people try to insist that it's different is because they don't want to face the stigma of being "autistic". Like I mentioned before, the only real difference seems to be a lesser (apparent) degree of severity, with people diagnosed with "Aspergers" often not experiencing the language delays associated with "classic" autism.

I guess "Aspergers" could be used as a label for people on the higher-functioning end of the spectrum, but really, isn't it kind of redundant? Autism is a spectrum disorder, and people on the spectrum tend to have different challenges in different areas. Some people have more significant language issues, some people have more significant sensory issues, etc.

That could explain people diagnosed with AS who say they're different, but what about people like OP who are diagnosed with HFA and say they're different?



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16 Jan 2017, 2:15 am

[quote=Iliketrees]Am I though - am I an exception to a rule? I'm not convinced that HFA and AS are two distinct profiles, there's so much variance in people with either diagnosis, I think they're the same thing.[/quote]
I meant what you had typed here. I acknowledge the difference, because of childhood differences in speech, but in the end, they are more of less the same. My experience is just where I felt what I had said above was the case.


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16 Jan 2017, 4:20 am

Why is this often framed as either it is all the same autism or totally different conditions?. Because the DSM f****d up and in an effort to cover up thier mistake made things worse that is why. The DSM acts as thier is no such thing as subcatogories. First they made Aspergers a seperate diagnoses, then made it all one thing. There is throbbing pain, shooting pain, and hundreds of sub categories of cancer. There is no debate that curable cancers with minimal symptoms is cancer, or that what you feel with a minor bruise is pain, yet it is understood that a minor bruise feels very different from having your bones broken in multiple places.


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16 Jan 2017, 4:33 am

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Why is this often framed as either it is all the same autism or totally different conditions?. Because the DSM f****d up and in an effort to cover up thier mistake made things worse that is why. The DSM acts as thier is no such thing as subcatogories. First they made Aspergers a seperate diagnoses, then made it all one thing. There is throbbing pain, shooting pain, and hundreds of sub categories of cancer. There is no debate that curable cancers with minimal symptoms is cancer, or that what you feel with a minor bruise is pain, yet it is understood that a minor bruise feels very different from having your bones broken in multiple places.

They'll probably make subcategories again once they can clearly define them - the past subcategories didn't represent any meaningful, consistent difference. A person could be diagnosed with AS, PDD-NOS, or autism by different doctors. I don't believe there are clearly defined, consistent, meaningful subcategories for ASD yet, but correct with me if I'm wrong because I'd genuinely be interested in seeing that.



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16 Jan 2017, 4:46 am

iliketrees wrote:
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Why is this often framed as either it is all the same autism or totally different conditions?. Because the DSM f****d up and in an effort to cover up thier mistake made things worse that is why. The DSM acts as thier is no such thing as subcatogories. First they made Aspergers a seperate diagnoses, then made it all one thing. There is throbbing pain, shooting pain, and hundreds of sub categories of cancer. There is no debate that curable cancers with minimal symptoms is cancer, or that what you feel with a minor bruise is pain, yet it is understood that a minor bruise feels very different from having your bones broken in multiple places.

They'll probably make subcategories again once they can clearly define them - the past subcategories didn't represent any meaningful, consistent difference. A person could be diagnosed with AS, PDD-NOS, or autism by different doctors. I don't believe there are clearly defined, consistent, meaningful subcategories for ASD yet, but correct with me if I'm wrong because I'd genuinely be interested in seeing that.


Instead of just giving up and making just three catagores they could have made the definitions less confusing. How about more symptom based sub catogories like touch sensitivity dominent autism?


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16 Jan 2017, 5:09 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
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Why is this often framed as either it is all the same autism or totally different conditions?. Because the DSM f****d up and in an effort to cover up thier mistake made things worse that is why. The DSM acts as thier is no such thing as subcatogories. First they made Aspergers a seperate diagnoses, then made it all one thing. There is throbbing pain, shooting pain, and hundreds of sub categories of cancer. There is no debate that curable cancers with minimal symptoms is cancer, or that what you feel with a minor bruise is pain, yet it is understood that a minor bruise feels very different from having your bones broken in multiple places.

They'll probably make subcategories again once they can clearly define them - the past subcategories didn't represent any meaningful, consistent difference. A person could be diagnosed with AS, PDD-NOS, or autism by different doctors. I don't believe there are clearly defined, consistent, meaningful subcategories for ASD yet, but correct with me if I'm wrong because I'd genuinely be interested in seeing that.


Instead of just giving up and making just three catagores they could have made the definitions less confusing. How about more symptom based sub catogories like touch sensitivity dominent autism?

I doubt they've given up and plan to leave it like that, they're probably just putting down the current knowledge as a framework to improve on when more is solidly known. There's probably a whole load of people doing all kinds of analysis and research to see which symptoms form subgroups which mean something significant in treatment.



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16 Jan 2017, 5:37 am

iliketrees wrote:
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Nope, I'm diagnosed Asperger's but I'm not at all extroverted. Even wrongplanet gets too much and I keep taking breaks from here. I really just prefer being by myself. I don't seek people out like I assume your roommate does.

I'll be honest, I'm tired of people talking about "Asperger's" being a different condition than autism. "Asperger's" IS autism

I agree. Some people here keep insisting it's different though which I don't get. I wonder if the diagnostic labels on our profiles will ever change, especially when the ICD 11 comes out, removing "other autism spectrum disorder" and having "ASD" instead of "Aspergers".

I think part of the reason people try to insist that it's different is because they don't want to face the stigma of being "autistic". Like I mentioned before, the only real difference seems to be a lesser (apparent) degree of severity, with people diagnosed with "Aspergers" often not experiencing the language delays associated with "classic" autism.

I guess "Aspergers" could be used as a label for people on the higher-functioning end of the spectrum, but really, isn't it kind of redundant? Autism is a spectrum disorder, and people on the spectrum tend to have different challenges in different areas. Some people have more significant language issues, some people have more significant sensory issues, etc.

That could explain people diagnosed with AS who say they're different, but what about people like OP who are diagnosed with HFA and say they're different?

No two people on the spectrum are the same, but I think defining "Asperger's Syndrome" as a separate condition is kind of pointless. It really just means mild autism without a language delay.

Of course, what really pisses me off about it is when people use it to draw a line in the sand, saying things like "I'm not autistic, I just have Asperger's". Umm, you ARE autistic, and there's nothing wrong with admitting it. Then you also have people who say "I have Asperger's, therefore I'm superior to people with autism." You're NOT superior, and frankly no one is. We're all human here. We may have different neurotypes, but we're all still the same species.


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16 Jan 2017, 7:42 am

BeggingTurtle wrote:
I feel like every autistic (not Aspie) wants to escape into their own mind and stay there. I feel like everyone I know with Aspergers is the opposite; they want to engage the world head on and get out of their heads.
I use the example with myself, a high-functioning autistic, and my roommate, who has Aspergers. I am more likely to disengage and escape to books, homework, etc. On the other hand, my roommate is either talking to people or out exercising.
Is this true about you? I want to know.


Yeah I'd say that's very true of me (autistic, not aspie). Anything social, even though I keep to myself, I want to escape from. I just want to be left alone and stay in my room with my thoughts keeping me company. Or go on long walks by myself with nothing else to do but observe and think.



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16 Jan 2017, 9:38 am

I lost interest in engaging with people, nowadays I only do that online or I don't at all. In most cases people who I "engage" with offline are people that seem to persue me more.