How do people justify being dicks to AS people?

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jrjones9933
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24 Jan 2017, 6:57 pm

People challenge weirdos. You will too, when you are the normal one. If the weirdo gives a good response to the challenge, they're probably cool. If I'm the weirdo, and give a good response to a few challenges, deferential but not submissive, and I still get rejected, then I'll decide that they are dicks and leave them.

Maybe I'm wrong, but there are lots of other dicks in the sea.


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24 Jan 2017, 7:51 pm

Those blatantly blaming responses are used to absolve the dick of all guilt. A psychologist once told me that guilt and anger are mutually exclusive, he was bang on - these dicks feel that since you're inherently "less than" based on your behavioural traits, they don't have to feel guilty about mistreating you, only anger, that can grow like a heroin addiction in some perverse cases. My former stepmom was like this, and I was so glad to get out of that hostile environment.

The other one you gotta love, is when challenging the dick on their behaviour they say "Well I wouldn't HAVE TO act like this if you actually LISTENED!! !" (or, if you actually did what you're supposed to, or stopped being spaced out, etc, etc.)
sigh. :roll:



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24 Jan 2017, 7:58 pm

In Game Theory, winning strategies are mostly variations of tit for tat. I start by being nice, and then give back what I get. It turns out that in repeated games, inserting random forgiveness but never random betrayals into the tit for tat scheme wins even more often.


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24 Jan 2017, 10:29 pm

In my case it's because I'm very easily manipulated. I am rigid and confused constantly, and I don't understand social rules. But I'd say I'm pretty damn good with logic and arts, I just suck with people (and no I don't suck them themselves, because I'm not able to do that either).



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25 Jan 2017, 1:15 pm

I think all humans have a primitive and instinctive dislike of anyone who appears odd to them, and regard them as inferior or even a threat. Humans can ignore their natural desires to abuse such people if they have the intelligence and education. Unfortunately, many humans have neither. They are threatened by people who are different from them because early humans couldn't always tell if newcomers who look different were friendly or hostile, and stuck to their own kind because they were "safe". People who acted strangely may have had an infectious disease or be unsuitable for breeding. It may have been beneficial to our survival back then, but now it is not, but we've hardly changed at all in the short time we've existed, and that's sad. :(



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25 Jan 2017, 6:17 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
I think all humans have a primitive and instinctive dislike of anyone who appears odd to them, and regard them as inferior or even a threat. Humans can ignore their natural desires to abuse such people if they have the intelligence and education. Unfortunately, many humans have neither. They are threatened by people who are different from them because early humans couldn't always tell if newcomers who look different were friendly or hostile, and stuck to their own kind because they were "safe". People who acted strangely may have had an infectious disease or be unsuitable for breeding. It may have been beneficial to our survival back then, but now it is not, but we've hardly changed at all in the short time we've existed, and that's sad. :(


Indeed, I've often remarked that Aspergers is a collective discarding of traits of evolutionary psych.
It made no logical sense to us why people reacted why they did, even though we may have understood the basis for some of the ritualized ingrained behaviour like shunning or petty put-downs to convey superiority...
The "unsuitable for breeding" bit - pfah. :roll: I had to endure this silliness for the first half of my twenties, where it felt like I'd missed out, yet as friends also confirmed I'm a great looking guy, have worked out regularly but didn't get the female results, wondering why till my diagnosis at 27 then it sort of made more sense but not really.
Yet today, in my early 40s, I'm married to a gorgeous woman and we have two lovely daughters who turned out just fine, beyond fine in fact, they are both very pretty, vivacious, precocious, able-bodied etc. So much for that!! ! Heck maybe these young women just get some intuitive vibe that the male prospect with AS is "bully victim material" so they think if they have a son with him, he'll be the bullied one and not the bully or able to defend himself. Like we're still in some frickin' Hobbesian state of nature with no laws.

Yes, how ironic that neurotypicals regard *us* as the ones who haven't developed fully or see things out of context.



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29 Jan 2017, 2:35 am

I don't know but I've got a long list of humans who have been dicks to me when it was completely unwarranted, I feel upset if I am hurtful or offensive to other people, I really do think we exude some kind of aroma that suggests we must be made an example out of, they rarely do it on their lonesome, they then have to see us as an equal creature and observe that we are not really disgusting or diabolically daubed in slime or whatever. Some people with AS do act like jerks and blame it on being autistic which is ridiculous so some will get justified reactions but if you're not a dick and someone treats you like that, whether you have a condition or not that affects you, it is vile.