Do you feel in between in terms of gender?

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kraftiekortie
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06 Mar 2017, 9:20 am

I'm a male, and identify as male.

Sometimes, I have interests and reactions which might seem feminine to some.

I don't care. I know that I am a man.

People who I find to be women, and who identify as being feminine and a woman, definitely have masculine interests at times.

And vice versa.



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06 Mar 2017, 12:34 pm

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Gender can be a real turn-off for me at times. I don't get why people have to be either male or female. I feel that people should be able to make themselves truly happy and do what they wish, without being forced to toe the line of the Gender Binary. I feel that the idea is for people to feel comfortable with themselves instead of trying to be what people expect them to be. I also feel that people should call people what they wish to be called instead of taking it for granted that everybody likes to be called by their gender. I wear unisex clothing and German helmets because it my gender expression which matches my true gender identity. It sucks to have the feeling that I'm living in the wrong body. Wearing the helmet and unisex clothes helps me to feel that I was born the right gender (male).


There's 63 recognized genders to choose from now, so most everyone should be covered.

KEY:
Phys = Physical Aspect,
Pers= Personality Aspect,
Pref = Preference Aspect
M = Male, having male reproductive organs/genitalia
F = Female, having female reproductive organs/genitalia
H = Hermaphrodite (Intersexual) having both or neither male and female reproductive organs/genitalia
AS = Asexual / Non-sexual (not shown on this chart)
A = Androgynous, near-equivalent traits of male and female
AM / Andromale = Physically Androgynous w/ Male Genitalia
AF / Androfemale = Physically Androgynous w/ Female Genitalia
HA / Androdite = Physically Androgynous Hermaphrodite
HM / Hermaphromale = Hermaphrodite with Male features / appearance
HF / Hermaphrofemale = Hermaphrodite with Female features / appearance
Masculine = “Typically” Male, as determined by the surrounding culture
Feminine = “Typically” Female, as determined by the surrounding culture
Androgine = Exhibits Androgynous Behavior (near -equally Male and Female), as determined by the surrounding culture

1 M M M Masculine Homosexual Man
2 M M F Masculine Heterosexual Man
3 M M A Masculine Bisexual Man
4 M F M Feminine Homosexual Man
5 M F F Feminine Heterosexual Man
6 M F A Feminine Bisexual Man
7 M A M Androgine Homosexual Man
8 M A F Androgine Heterosexual Man
9 M A A Androgine Bisexual Man
10 F M M Masculine Heterosexual Woman
11 F M F Masculine Homosexual Woman
12 F M A Masculine Bisexual Woman
13 F F M Feminine Heterosexual Woman
14 F F F Feminine Homosexual Woman
15 F F A Feminine Bisexual Woman
16 F A M Androgine Heterosexual Woman
17 F A F Androgine Homosexual Woman
18 F A A Androgine Bisexual Woman
19 AM M M Masculine Homosexual Andromale
20 AF M M Masculine Heterosexual Androfemale
21 HA M M Masculine Male-Attracted Androdite
22 HM M M Masculine Male-Attracted Hermaphromale
23 HF M M Masculine Male-Attracted Hermaphrofemale
24 AM M F Masculine Heterosexual Andromale
25 AF M F Masculine Homosexual Androfemale
26 HA M F Masculine Female-Attracted Androdite
27 HM M F Masculine Female-Attracted Hermaphromale
28 HF M F Masculine Female-Attracted Hermaphrofemale
29 AM M A Masculine Bisexual Andromale
30 AF M F Masculine Bisexual Androfemale
31 HA M F Masculine Bisexual Androdite
32 HM M F Masculine Bisexual Hermaphromale
33 HF M F Masculine Bisexual Hermaphrofemale
34 AM F M Feminine Homosexual Andromale
35 AF F M Feminine Heterosexual Androfemale
36 HA F M Feminine Male-Attracted Androdite
37 HM F M Feminine Male-Attracted Hermaphromale
38 HF F M Feminine Male-Attracted Hermaphrofemale
39 AM F F Feminine Heterosexual Andromale
40 AF F F Feminine Homosexual Androfemale
41 HA F F Feminine Female-Attracted Androdite
42 HM F F Feminine Female-Attracted Hermaphromale
43 HF F F Feminine Female-Attracted Hermaphrofemale
44 AM F A Feminine Bisexual Andromale
45 AF F A Feminine Bisexual Androfemale
46 HA F A Feminine Bisexual Androdite
47 HM F A Feminine Bisexual Hermaphromale
48 HF F A Feminine Bisexual Hermaphrofemale
49 AM A M Androgine Homosexual Andromale
50 AF A M Androgine Heterosexual Androfemale
51 HA A M Androgine Male-Attracted Androdite
52 HM A M Androgine Male-Attracted Hermaphromale
53 HF A M Androgine Male-Attracted Hermaphrofemale
54 AM A F Androgine Heterosexual Andromale
55 AF A F Androgine Homosexual Androfemale
56 HA A F Androgine Female-Attracted Androdite
57 HM A F Androgine Female-Attracted Hermaphromale
58 HF A F Androgine Female-Attracted Hermaphrofemale
59 AM A A Androgine Bisexual Andromale
60 AF A A Androgine Bisexual Androfemale
61 HA A A Androgine Bisexual Androdite
62 HM A A Androgine Bisexual Hermaphromale
63 HF A A Androgine Bisexual Hermaphrofemale

What in the f**k? :? :?: :?: :?: :?:



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06 Mar 2017, 12:39 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I'm a male, and identify as male.

Sometimes, I have interests and reactions which might seem feminine to some.

I don't care. I know that I am a man.

People who I find to be women, and who identify as being feminine and a woman, definitely have masculine interests at times.

And vice versa.

I personally don't get what's a "feminine" and a "masculine" interest.


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06 Mar 2017, 12:48 pm

Tripodologia wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I'm a male, and identify as male.

Sometimes, I have interests and reactions which might seem feminine to some.

I don't care. I know that I am a man.

People who I find to be women, and who identify as being feminine and a woman, definitely have masculine interests at times.

And vice versa.

I personally don't get what's a "feminine" and a "masculine" interest.


For men, especially in the Southern US where I currently live, things like sports and hunting seem to define popular concepts of masculinity. I have no interest in either activity, which leads to a lot of strange reactions - especially where it comes to sports. I frequently find myself being asked about some football-related thing or other, and people always seem put off a bit when I tell them I have no interest in sportsball and no idea what they're talking about.

And I do consider myself to be a man. I just don't buy into these superficial notions of what it means to be one.


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06 Mar 2017, 12:56 pm

Society makes dramatic left turns all the time, in terms of gender definitions. Teenage boys are the worst about vocal gender policing, with their desire to call everything gay. I get that it has evolved into a term for anything weird, but look back at the roots of other seemingly inoffensive words like sucker. Sucking what, exactly, and how is that bad, exactly?

Now, there's a culture war on, and one side has revised history and united around that glorious past which never was. The other side, despite all assertions to the contrary, rejects limiting people in their gender expression to varying degrees. Importantly, however, we continue to disagree.

Aspies probably tend to prefer either rigid lines or no lines at all. B&W thinking, perhaps? For my part, stop lining me in with your lines, liners.


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06 Mar 2017, 1:37 pm

No. I recognize that gender expression is a constellation of characteristics, and that even basic attraction gets cross-wired 10% of the time, but I test out more unipolar than 85% of people. I've newer had the slightest doubt, despite a few minor anomalies. I was very interested to see a graph in Sci Am showing the distribution of characteristics. There is a large middle zone, but even more intriguing, there are a few people who think they are at the opposite end from where their true responses lie. All three groups taper off smoothly in both directions.
Ever since Ma Nature invented gender, a part of every brain has wanted to answer M or F? at every single encounter with a member of the same species, and that part will always affect behaviour. The modern trend to subdivide gender categories is part of the smoke screen pretending that men and women are identical, not symbiotic. Women face massive unemployment in their traditional roles due to the industrial revolution, and are being encouraged to take on new jobs outside the home.



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06 Mar 2017, 2:54 pm

To me, gender roles are first and foremost social conventions that do not follow any particular logic and that are mostly delineated by what the social majority considers it to be normal. Thus, it doesn't make sense to me to consider certain activities as "feminine" or "masculine" because there is no logic to it. When a man gets repeatedly silenced for having a given interest "X" but not another, the end result is not that "men are not interested in "X"" but rather that those who dare to say they are interested get punished by society. There is no one who should decide what I can or cannot be interested in based on how my body looks, other than myself.

I agree that it may be evolutionarily advantegous to be able to quickly recognise males from females. That's however not necessarily linked to gender roles, which are primarily a social construct.


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06 Mar 2017, 2:57 pm

Playing with baby dolls, or playing with Barbie, pretty much fits the feminine stereotype.

Most sports, GI Joe dolls, games like Stratego or whatever, trading baseball cards, stuff like that, pretty much fits the masculine stereotype.

Like I said above, there are, obvious, exceptions to the stereotype. Like I said above, I have some "feminine" interests, but I consider myself a relatively masculine man.



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06 Mar 2017, 3:08 pm

The stereotypes are obviously social constructs, being simple observed averages. There will always be social pressure to conform to them because most people find them natural, and it is easier to fit in. Only a born bisexual can believe in "gender correction therapy" because they do have that flexibility themselves, and fear it.
Some people say that being bi just gives you twice as many potential partners, but it also almost guarantees that you'll never find one with the matching butch/fem pattern to your own. OTOH, ambiguity is a real advantage in entertainment and negotiating.



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06 Mar 2017, 3:12 pm

Of course they are "constructs."

Around the late 16th century in Europe, and up to the early 18th century, men actually seemed to wear more "feminine" clothes than woman. They also wore more elaborate wigs than women.



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06 Mar 2017, 3:14 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Playing with baby dolls, or playing with Barbie, pretty much fits the feminine stereotype.

Most sports, GI Joe dolls, games like Stratego or whatever, trading baseball cards, stuff like that, pretty much fits the masculine stereotype.

Like I said above, there are, obvious, exceptions to the stereotype. Like I said above, I have some "feminine" interests, but I consider myself a relatively masculine man.

I didn't play with toys, instead lining them up, is autism my gender? :lol:



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06 Mar 2017, 3:17 pm

I wasn't making absolute statements, it should be noted.

All I was doing: was merely stating the societal impressions. It doesn't mean I totally believe in them.

If you pretend to be the "mommy" with a doll, most people would see that as feminine.

If you merely line them up, most people would probably see that as more neutral.

My gender was "autistic" until I was about 5 1/2 years old.



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06 Mar 2017, 3:26 pm

Just as a side note: sexuality and gender are not the same thing.


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06 Mar 2017, 3:33 pm

I know that LOL



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06 Mar 2017, 3:48 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I know that LOL

Sorry I didn't quote, it was in reference to the bisexuality thing from a prior comment, not about your comment :)


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06 Mar 2017, 11:22 pm

YES.

I have never felt entirely female, however I don't feel entirely male. I wonder whether I'm FTM sometimes but I feel I suck as a boy as much as I sucked as a "girl". Other times I feel I could pull off being male. And on VERY rare occassions I have the urge to put on makeup and nail polish. Genderfluid?


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