Undiagnosed aspies- how did you come to the conclusion?

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22 Jul 2004, 11:56 pm

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On the PDD test I scored 116 which says I have a "moderate PDD"
On Tony Attwoods test I averaged 4.5 and was able to check off many of the ancillary questions in part two of his test.

Do you have links for those? I browsed Tony Attwood's site, but couldn't find the test.

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On the Support4hope website there's a page that gives 67 characteristics of people with aspergers. I was able to answer "yes" to 55 of those when I asked myself "Is this ME?"

Got 50 (+- 2, because I was not sure or did not understand 4 items).



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23 Jul 2004, 3:36 am

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http://growe.homeip.net/BaronCohen/MaleFemale.asp
Links to all four tests are on this page. ^_^


I just took those and here are my results

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Systemizing quotient: 62
Empathy quotient: 11
Autism Spectrum quotient: 43
Reading the mind in the eyes: 18

I thought I was doing really well on the eye test until I saw my score :lol:



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23 Jul 2004, 4:01 am

Hello, I ve taken these tests too.


Here are the results:

Systemizing : 57
Empathy: 18

(I didn't expect to get such results, see my commentary below.)

Autism Spectrum Quotient: 36.
Reading the mind in the eyes: 23.
(Well, I almost expected these, because I had already taken these tests a few months ago and scored 31 and 22 )


As I've said before, I once believed that I had AS. (that was about 3 years ago) But then (last year) I came to the conclusion that I wasn't aspie, because I had less problems with meeting people and making friends.
Now I think that maybe it's not AS that I have, but something else that has the same characteristics. What do you think?



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23 Jul 2004, 4:29 am

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I also have this list http://home.twcny.rr.com/bluesonix/aspietraits.htm which is a ton more in depth than the DSM-IV. It's not my list, I found it elsewhere, but I found it helpful. I printed out several copies which I gave to my family members. They marked off traits they saw in me and it's all in my folder nice and neat for when I get some insurance and get to go to the dr. :{


Cool beans on that list, flamingjune. A handy compilation. I need to print it out too :)

(Aw shucks I'm gonna need to add check boxes next to it!)



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23 Jul 2004, 10:36 am

I took the 4 tests and here are my results:

Autism Spectrum Quotient: 43 out of 50.
According to the test, most people with AS score around 35. Average people score 11-22.

Empathy Quotient Test: 17 out of 80.
According to this test, most people with AS or HFA score about 20. Average people score 33-52.

Systemizing Quotient: 48 out of 80.
Most people with AS score in the 40-50 range and average people score 20-39.

Reading the Mind in the Eyes: 17 out of 36.
Typical score is 22-30 and a score under 22 indicates it's quite difficult for the examinee.

In addition, I do exhibit alot of the symptoms of it although I've never been diagnosed. Even though I have no diagnosis, stuff like this is enough to make one wonder.


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23 Jul 2004, 10:47 am

Torley_Wong wrote:
flamingjune wrote:
I also have this list http://home.twcny.rr.com/bluesonix/aspietraits.htm which is a ton more in depth than the DSM-IV. It's not my list, I found it elsewhere, but I found it helpful. I printed out several copies which I gave to my family members. They marked off traits they saw in me and it's all in my folder nice and neat for when I get some insurance and get to go to the dr. :{


Cool beans on that list, flamingjune. A handy compilation. I need to print it out too :)

(Aw shucks I'm gonna need to add check boxes next to it!)

I tried to add em but they wouldn't save in the html format. I can email you the .doc if you want, though...



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23 Jul 2004, 2:36 pm

It's okay hey don't worry about it I know a program I can use to add them, or I'll just draw them in by hand! :)

Thanx.



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23 Jul 2004, 3:14 pm

Systemizing : 67 (it is mainly because I like to know things but it is in the high range)
Empathy : 21 (AS range)
Autism Spectrum Quotient : 37 (AS range)
Reading the Eye : 23 (ten more than last time I took it, but in the meantine, I took it three times with friends so I remembered some answers)

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23 Jul 2004, 4:26 pm

magic wrote:
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On the PDD test I scored 116 which says I have a "moderate PDD"
On Tony Attwoods test I averaged 4.5 and was able to check off many of the ancillary questions in part two of his test.

Do you have links for those? I browsed Tony Attwood's site, but couldn't find the test.

PDD test is at http://www.childbrain.com/pddassess.html

Tony Attwoods test is at http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/asp ... twood.html


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23 Jul 2004, 6:58 pm

Thanks, Scott!

These tests are for children, so I looked back into the past and tried to recall what I was like when I was 10 years old. My results:

PDD test: 100-107 (range reflects the fact that I was not sure about some answers, so I tried all relevant possibilities)

Tony Attwood's test:
I think that the scale is not defined well enough to make average meaningful. So here's another approach:
Sections A-E, answers graded 2-6: 19/24
Section F, answers 'yes': 7/10



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23 Jul 2004, 8:49 pm

Dear Civet,

My husband just figured out at age 55 that he has Asperger's. He was misdiagnosed years ago with OCD, after he was sent home from an engineering project for being too controling and disruptive. I'll spare you the details on how we've failed marriage counseling five times, and I always knew we were dealing with something much deeper than those types of issues.

In the spring of this year, picked up a Time Magazine artile at the car wash. It was about autism. When it got to the part about high functioning, and engineers, and high tech folks, etc., the description of the problems and triumphs jumped off the pages as if it was my husband's autobiography. I flew home and got on the computer. I read a good bit about it, and if you go to google and enter, Roger Meyer/asperger's, you will get of a long list of traits. Roger Meyer has asperger's. He lives in OR and was not doing well in his job due to his asperger's. Now, he has redirected his career and is a speicalist on Asperger's. I have found his list of traits to be the most helpful of anything we have read.

I was not sure how to approach my husband on this. So, I also had seen a list of famous people that have had it that have made quite a positive name for themselves. I explained to him about the Time article, told him about the famous people, and ask him to put his initial by every characteristic that he believes fits a description of him. He initialed about 90% of a long list. I found some like, "verbose" that he failed to check. He did not know what verbose meant. I explained that's why I have seen people literally raise their hand to get a word in edgewise. Then, I ordered some books on it. (Go to Amazon.com and enter asperger's under the search field). The more books we read, the more we know he has it. Problem is, we can't find any meaningful help here in SC for it. We don't know what to expect for progress and improvement if he had the right social help.

We saw a neuropsycholgist that specializes in testing children. She spent almost 3 hours interviewing my husband and agrees that he does in fact have many strong characteristics. Testing will only give him a label. He does not want his peers at work to discover he has this. He thinks they could find out if the HR people saw the insurance code for Asperger's come through the normal channels. He is considering entering a study at the UNIV of Pittsburg, because as we understand it, they will test for free as part of the study.

I should think that a benefit of testing would be that you could better tell which aspects of the condition are most effected. If they get a handle on that, they may be able to know what traits to use that are good ones, to help over-ride the less positive ones.

The O.A.S.I.S site has a link where you can locate an expert in Asperger's. The nearest to us, in terms of a psychiatrist, is 6 hrs. up the road. The neuropsychologist was listed there and she was local. It was DEVINE to have a conversation with a professional that was not CLUELESS, and could put everything we were saying in the correct context of this diagnosis..as she understood it well. Try to find out what potential professionals know before you waste your time and money.

Best of luck. PM me and let me know if this helps, after you read the Roger Meyer list.



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24 Jul 2004, 3:20 am

systemising - 38 (but they didn't ask me any questions about the things I really systemise! Like drawing, painting, creating with hidden order in the disorder)
empathy - 16
Autism - 35 (I've done this a few times and this is the lowest I've had - highest was 40)
Eyes – 14 (ooh - this one hurt - I work with photos of peoples faces all the time, and make guesses as to what they'd be like to know... I think I might give up on that bit!

I've read a heap of stuff, puzzled over things I did in my childhood, puzzled over other's frustration with me, found similarities and differences between me and friends with various mental illnesses. I wrote up a big list and showed it to my psychiatrist, who ummed and aahed, and said I might have a point. It's a kind of accumulation of knowledge about myself and watching my son (who's pdd-nos). I've trained myself to control certain parts of me when in public, but I still drive the people that know me well quite mad!



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24 Jul 2004, 3:51 am

I took the other three tests on the same page with the AQ test

systemizing - 41
empathy - 9!
mind in the eyes - 24


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24 Jul 2004, 4:13 am

Scoots5012 wrote:
On the AQ spectrum test I scored a 38 out of 50 with the guide saying that most aspies score at least 35 with the norm being 16.

I just got a 38 on the AQ spectrum test, too. I took the Systemizing quotient test just before it, I believe I got a 35 on that one. (It's getting late, well early. :))



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24 Jul 2004, 12:50 pm

Scoots5012 wrote:
I took the other three tests on the same page with the AQ test

systemizing - 41
empathy - 9!
mind in the eyes - 24

I got a nine too. I was extremely shocked to get such a low score, but I think I act much differently toward 'people' versus 'friends' so I don't know what to think about that.
I got a twelve on the eyes one. It made my hands sweaty and I had a hard time finishing it.



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24 Jul 2004, 4:05 pm

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Thanks, flamingjune. I already took first three tests somewhere else on the net (with aspie-like results), but the fourth one (with eyes) was new to me. Unfortunately, similarly as for the 'fake smile' test, I succeeded beyond dreams: 31 of 36 correct! Hmm... I don't know what to think about it. Maybe this aspie thing is only in my head. Maybe I have just found a convenient excuse for my rudeness! :( That's why I am so reluctant in self-diagnosing myself. But if not AS, then what? Anyone know of other medical reasons for shyness, inability to maintain eye contact, being a misfit that offends everyone, feeling different and having repetitive mannerisms (hand flapping etc.)?
[I apologize, this is a little off-topic.]


I am officially diagnosed AS and I scored even higher on the Mind's Eye Test than you. Looking at pictures of actors is very different than reading nonverbal cues in real life, let alone giving out nonverbal cues. I just pictured actors I'd seen in movies when I took that test. In real life, looking at people at all, especially making eye contact, is generally far too overwhelming for me. Not to mention the fact that people's faces are constantly changing, while the pictures do not. All those tests have flaws, considering one's personal issues and childhood behavior would definitely take precedence over scoring oddly on one of those tests. While I don't think every weird person is on the spectrum, but these tests definitely shouldn't be the deciding factor in a self dx, though they can be a useful tool.

My scores: AQ=43
SQ=34
EQ=20
I've never taken the PDD quiz, but there's an Aspie Quiz I found off of a mailing list and I scored 188 "now" and 189 "earlier"

The address is http://www.rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php
It might be similar to the PDD quiz, I'll have to check that out.
Just took the PDD quiz:167 (severe PDD) approx. from age 7 (wouldn't be quite as severe now, I'm sure.)