Just blew the PIP assessment :(

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Pathological demand avoidance.

I spoke to NAS and they pretty much said the same.

It'll be interesting to see how she plays this and to what level she misrepresents what occurred, unfortunately for her the entire thing was filmed and my advocate was there to confirm, yes i was agitated (upset not animated), there was no aggressive behaviour. Challenging, maybe, if you feel guilt for the misery your job creates then yeah you would understand that reaction.




I think it's used as an excuse, i was incensed for maybe 1 or 2 seconds then back to withdrawn, i believe her reaction was actually down to job dissatisfaction as it was an over reaction saying 'i can't work like this' which to me suggests it is an ongoing situation in her life.

'Whats stopping you?' sounds like 'Get on with it?' 'You're worthless' 'Try harder' when you're having to rationalise your existence everyday, these sort of questions are not ones that should be bluntly approached by unqualified nobodies.

shortfatbalduglyman

Her job description is to reduce the governments benefit expenditure, suicide is their preferred outcome, otherwise they deny you 3 times then push you into a legal tribunal where it is ultimately awarded. The Nazis did the same, it was a program called Aktion T4, it was the pre cursor to death camps, they withdrew support to the disabled hoping they would wither away silently and die, those that didnt were eventually dragged into the streets and shot or sent to extermination camps.

As for complaints, i won't be making one, but my advocate asked me if HE could make a complaint on his organisations behalf which i agreed to.

League_Girl

Our healthcare system is rationed, i won't get any help with this lol

starkid

I have Aspergers (yes an actual RECENT, REAL Aspergers diagnosis (not the generalised ASD diag)

ToughDiamond

I appreciate that, thank you, i had to say it.

Raleigh

PDA is Pathological Demand Avoidance. It's the weirdest thing ever, if people try to make demands of me or force me to do something against my will i will not comply, i will cut my nose off to spite my face, however if asked normally its not a problem.

It's a weird one because its kinda at the core of who i am, rebellious, not in a bad way, the only ones who ever come up against it are generally nasty trying to impose their will against mine, i am sovereign i have domain over me, no one else.

Thank you.

What a strange thing to say. Why would I know anything about you? And what does this have to do with politics? Is this you looking for yet another angle where you're not to blame, it's right wing racist Nazis attacking you?

Although your going to ruminate about it, and money might be tight, and you might feel like your world is falling apart , you really need to try and not catastrophize ( it's easy said than done , I'm guilty of it ) , you won't know how things went until you have had a formal letter. If you are in touch with NAS you should keep them updated every step of the way as they might be your best option for advice and might be able to fight your corner for you ??

As for Chichikov , just ask him why he has Eric Draven as his avatar , he hasn't spoken too me since I asked him that question , maybe you should try it

No problem. I'm never sure what to do about trolling - wade in, and they get the attention they're after and the thread gets derailed, ignore 'em and it feels like they're getting away with their slippery, passive-aggressive crap.

Sometimes I see things like this:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/th ... ed-6348067
which seems to remove all doubt about what's going on with the benefits system, but there's no convincing those who don't want to accept there's a problem. Thing is, whether or not I'm right about the corruption, I'm sure it would be reckless to assume the benefits staff are diligently trying their honest best to distinguish the genuine claims from the fake ones.

Sadly, as you've suggested, I don't expect they'll just think "poor guy's obviously unemployable, we'd best pay him." More likely it'll be something like "great, it says here we don't have to pay him if he doesn't co-operate with our inquiry."

Your response to the visitor was (IMO) rather harsh and over-stated, though understandably so, and I think the gist of your words was correct. Main problem is, telling them what they're really up to doesn't score any points, it's impossible to shame them into playing fair, they're very thick-skinned, they've heard it all before. The only way I know to get benefits these days is to know the rules, hold your nose, and play the game. I'd look for good sources of benefits advice, study the subject very carefully, prepare a strong case, and appeal. Ideally, I'd want a complete list of all the loaded questions they can ask, with "if you answer x, they'll assume y and deny your benefit." Then I'd memorise the appropriate answers and do my best to stick to the script on the day. Having a good advocate with you, if you can get one, might make you feel more secure, so it won't fuel your anger so much and you'll feel less tempted to play into their hands.

I'm actually very zen about the situation now, which i'll expand upon in my response to ToughDiamond





I don't know how many people do this but i'm going to reply with poetry, hope it adds clarity to the compulsion to speak out.








This is the tortuous part, right now i'm totally unemployable, however my doctor and myself believe that given the correct support, with PIP and a social services care package for a transitional period it wont be a giant leap to get me into some sort of meaningful self employed work. It is their bureaucracy which is hindering my Drs care and actually driving me into mental health problems.




It wasn't that bad tbh, i've watched it back, i said f**k and f*****g 1 time for each, never called her a nazi that was suggested by someone else, i didnt even say the part about ss policy it was far more subtle, and that was about 5-6 mins after the initial outburst which literally lasted 10 seconds, then stopped and i was silent and sort of composed, she was totally unprofessional, or was she? i think they're told to use it as an excuse, unfortunately once again for her, my advocate informed her it is part of my condition.

So onto the advocate part, i think i mentioned somewhere that he is putting in a complaint on behalf of his organisation about what occurred and has also informed my dr that i wasn't at fault.




That is the part that PDA and ODD will not allow me to do



Its outrageous that an untrained bureaucrat can undermine a Psychiatrist and GP trying to attain the best outcome for a patient.

As it stands now i quite look forward to the mother of all legal battles, i am a can of worms they will be reticent to open to the public and if my experience serves to stop the outrageous practices our cohort faces to get the appropriate support then so be it.

I have documented this journey for the past year, they're f****d.

Yes the poetry is helpful. Telling it like it is can be dangerous, but somebody's got to do it.

Glad that you found you didn't go quite so over-the-top as you'd originally thought. If you recorded it, it's hard to know if that would be directly useful in a tribunal or court case, the law's a strange thing when it comes to recordings, but at least it gives you a clear record of what happened.

I didn't read the thread carefully enough to see that you have an advocate - that's good news of course, and it looks like he's a helpful one.

I know a lot of these decisions get overturned at the appeal stage. It's interesting that the original decision-makers never seem to get punished. It's also interesting that one "newspaper" calculated the number of benefit cheats as the number of applications that got turned down.

Yes, it's weird how a bureaucrat is assumed to know better than health professionals. Me, I just follow the money, which usually gives a good indication of the likely bias. Government eager to cut the benefits bill, government pays adjudicators and "doctors" to judge benefits cases - what could possibly go wrong?

Good luck with the battle. It seems you're in with a good chance. Hope you let us know how it goes. I wish people in need knew more about how to force the gov and their minions to pay up.

Let go of comparing
Let go of competing
Let go of judgments
Let go of anger
Let go of regrets
Let go of worrying
Let go of blame
Let go of guilt
Let go of fear
Have a proper belly laugh at least once a day

I'm also with you as well. I come to WP to give support and get support, and I know that most people do so as well. I fell that WP should be seen as a support system by everyone. There's this old saying, "If you can't find anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

There is the possibility that it didn't go as bad as you are thinking it did... ok an outside bet maybe but you never know.

I had one of this lot around my house for a re-assessment and I felt it went pretty badly, but I had a relative with me who felt it wasn't quite as bad as I had thought (always have someone with you for these kind of things if you can) and in the end I was shocked when 8 weeks later I got a letter saying they were increasing the award.

Although in a way that is a bad thing as it means someone assessed me as being even more restricted than before

But whatever your diagnosis or issues you need to try and find a way to dial down any abrasive behaviour in the situations as in the long run it is counter productive. I have learned that from personal experience.

At least try and view it from a wider perspective. A range of health care professionals are employed to do these assessments, such as OTs, physios, general nurses and so on. Many will have no education in mental health issues beyond the training crapita give them and at a guess many of them will only be doing the job because they couldn't get a better one elsewhere (I doubt many will have spent years training in health care just to take a job that is mainly about denying care and support to needy people). Then factor in they are visiting your house and dealing with a ND individual who they may already perceive as intimidating or 'odd' in some way... then you start acting confrontational in response to standard questions they have to ask as part of their job... that is going to be intimidating for them and not help your situation at all.

To be honest if your attitude was anything like what you have displayed in some of the posts here I'm not surprised they called off the assessment. Although that may actually not go against you...

How did you get on in the end?

I've been through the motions of trying to get esa and pip and might have mentioned a long time ago that I failed but didn't pursue it further because I didn't have a specialist to vouch for me and I would have to be diagnosed again but I don't think i'd have anything that would hinder my chances of a job. My appearance alone would shun employers from employing me, boxes that need to be ticked such as: great personality, excellent communication skills, smiling all the time / put on a friendly face for 8 hours straight.. all these things I cannot hope to achieve but won't be grounds for a PIP assessment, essentially falling through the cracks of the benefit system and now racking up debt as I have a hefty sanction weighing me down.

I'm not going to make any judgements about these conditions as I don't know anything about them. Only vaguely read about PDA the other week. I'm curious- are you still waiting for the decision? I honestly suspect it won't be long. I think you should get something.

I got the decision a couple of weeks ago, its laughable.

I'll have to paraphrase as i don't have the letter anymore my advocate does....

Basically it says they have terminated my application as they were unable to conclude the assessment and i was unable to give them a reason why.

As i said earlier i am still kinda zen about the situation; they might hold the power, but i have the better hand, a full house of aces and kings. The more they lie, misrepresent or subvert the better for me, they still don't know the full thing was video'd, in broadcast quality.

It's a strange situation part of me wants it over and done with so i can try to live some sort of life the other part of me wants to go 12 rounds with them for the sake of those they have killed/will kill, i am not afraid, i've been homeless and destitute in the past, they push it this time and i end up in a similar situation i will create a coordinated political campaign and hand off all of the evidence gathered over the past 10 years (RE ASD assessment and NHS CCG and Council collusion to deny assessment and support) to the Guardian; it's full of juicy recordings, documents and overt negligence.

What this will hopefully achieve is to definitively prove that the anecdotal baseline provided over many years is very true and still active policy at DWP, Capita and ATOS.

I haven't set out to be a martyr, painful experience has unfortunately taught me to record interactions around these types of people, they use bureaucracy, process and lies to subvert the system and ensure the outcome either they personally need (targets, bonuses, protecting their own personal interests) or that their contract with the government dictates.

Neither of these is acceptable and has unfortunately become normalised in the eyes of the public.

I really don't know how I feel about your attitude to the strange situation. Personally I think you should get this sorted a.s.a.p. but I also understand why you are willing to give them the rope to hang themselves so others in the future will might suffer less. From what I know about the Government and red tape I seriously doubt a case like yours will change policy as people dying is not enough to change policy. Personally I think ranks will be closed and a scapegoat will be put forward and the government will be squeaky clean as usual.