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BirdInFlight
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15 Sep 2017, 7:44 pm

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That in no way correlates to growing up autistic = trauma? also I'd like to point out that I've had my fair share of trauma. And in fact continue to inadvertently subject myself to it. So, lets be honest. growing up autistic doesn't = trauma and saying that is wrong. Now it can be argued that by growing up autistic = truama she ment undiagnosed but she said growing up autistic and also. My mother denied I was autistic to medical professionals. And lied to the school teachers about me having the disabilties I had/have. I Would know exactly how it is when that happens since I've been there done that. I've walked both roads. and can say. Growing up autistic doesn't = trauma. Trying to silence me only makes you're arguement mroe invalid...


Ahem, cough.

Uh, did you completely overlook that I actually began my comment with the qualifier statement: "I think there needs to be two categories under consideration here." ??

I opened with that statement expressly to AVOID sweeping all "growing up autistic" into the "= trauma" box.

And I continued my post by italicizing the word "these" people when referring to those who were in the second of the two categories I created to split up the original poster's premise.

I split the OP's premise and then stated my opinions within my split categories.

That's as valid as YOUR opinion.

Which, by the way, I'm not going to BS you by telling you I "respect" it like the other person did, because I can't "respect" an opinion that is so completely excluding of any other possibility of others' experiences. You don't earn my respect. I'm not into "respecting" something I think is ridiculous.

Even with that said, WHEN EXACTLY DID I "Try to silence" you? LMFAO?

I never tried to "silence" you but I did say "That's YOU" meaning YOUR experience.

Way to read into things just because YOU want a fight.

The original question is one that begs splitting in its premise. You just said "NO" and that's that.

Won't be back, not going to argue with you as you clearly have not yet learned that experiences VARY.

And that if someone states a question in such a way that doesn't include variation, then instead of responding with equal lack of accounting for that, you should consider the other possibilities inherent therein.

Have a nice life.



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15 Sep 2017, 7:49 pm

To lazyflower -- don't waste your energy OR your "respect" lol.

He's just picking a fight merely because others have said the opposite to what he has experienced and have allowed that everyone's mileage may vary . . . . . . and that threatens him for some reason.



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15 Sep 2017, 8:49 pm

BirdInFlight wrote:
To lazyflower -- don't waste your energy OR your "respect" lol.

He's just picking a fight merely because others have said the opposite to what he has experienced and have allowed that everyone's mileage may vary . . . . . . and that threatens him for some reason.


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15 Sep 2017, 8:56 pm

If we all had exactly the same experience in life, as AS people, what a boring forum this would be..



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16 Sep 2017, 2:16 pm

lazyflower wrote:
I'm wondering if growing up autistic - especially not knowing you are - can cause trauma?

Of course, everyone's experiences are different, but I think we all know that growing up autistic can be hard. For some people more than others.

Not knowing why you're experiencing the world more intensely than others, and having a hard time socializing and making friends. You might also feel less worthy than others due to the fact that you're different, feeling like you never fit in, maybe even experience bullying. These are just some of the things it can involve.

Thoughts on this? :)
Trauma is perhaps a little extreme, but is it possible?

I'd personally like to blame my low self-esteem and social anxiety due to, not just my ASD itself and the difficulties that come with it, but not knowing I had it until I was an older teenager.


Growing up when everybody including yourself does know why had its problems. How severe they were depended on the people they were surrounded by. Many did not get any diagnosis because seeing a shrink or having a mental problem was seen as a sign of personal and moral weakness. It was the exact opposite of today. If a person in the family had a mental problem it was considered a black mark on the family. Illnesses mental or physical was something people just did not talk about with outsiders. If Autistic traits were noticeable enough that they had to see a psychiatrist the person was usually misdiagnosed. The person was institutionalized in a hellhole of if the family could not afford an institution locked in the attic or thrown into the street. The milder undiagnosed autistics got unofficial pejorative labels like creep, as*hole, loser, spazz, weird etc and bullied accordingly. There was no pretense of "zero tolerance" of bullying it was considered just a normal part of growing up. The undiagnosed autistic kid based on the knowledge at the time could come to no other conclusion that their problems were their fault, a matter of them being a bad and weak person. Parents would often try to beat the autistic traits out of the person as corporal punishment was normal parenting. There was little special needs schooling, if you failed, you repeated the grade over and if that did not work the school threw you out. So yes growing up back in the 50's, 60's and 70's autistic was often quite traumatic.

The above does not mean I do not think that growing up autistic today is not traumatic, it often is ways less open and obvious. Today's generation has a reputation of fragile, spoiled and treated as special from birth. There is some truth to those stereotypes but it is often misleading or wrong. The autistic person often knows they are autistic most of their
life. They are told and read what they can not do and what they are bad at their whole lives. Everything about them is open for all to see. They like their NT peers but even more so are smothered by their helicopter parents. When they are not being smothered by their parents they are being smothered by ABA therapists trying to correct their "inappropriate" natural autistic behaviors. Unlike the physical bullying of old, there are no safe spaces and no timeouts from cyberbullying. Tramatic? , hell yeah.


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