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26 Oct 2017, 12:23 pm

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When people would ask me why I didn't talk, I'd always reply, "I don't have anything to say." When I tried to talk, they would often interrupt me, completely drown out what I was saying. Often people are mostly listening for their own voice in a conversation.

OP - One thing that helps is assembling a script of generic responses for small talk. Observe the sorts of things other people say and adapt that to your future responses (nauseating as they are, clichés are the ultimate cut+paste conversation filler). Also, sometimes just a question is all you need to keep a conversation going. Someone says, "I adopted a kitten over the weekend.", you could ask, "Does your kitten have a name yet?"

Even though it's otherwise just ephemeral conversation, it still counts toward building overall speaking skills.
Everyone's different, but often social anxiety decreases with experience. These things have improved my ability, regardless of my dwindling motivation. Even so, I know it's a good to build the skills.


I'm going to try this...

Also when I'm in a new environment with lot's of people I don't know I'm extremely quiet and withdrawn. I'll eat alone on lunch breaks even. Because in my experience when I speak freely someone always develops some sort of prejudiced against me. I literally have no idea what I do to piss people off. I don't talk about politics, sensitive topics such as racism or religion. I know all of those are the hot button issues. So I must be doing something else wrong... but whatever it is... no one ever tells me. You know how it goes... whatever it was... it was so bad they don't think I even deserve to know what it was that I did wrong. I'm just supposed to accept that I'm such an offensive human being that I deserve to be mistreated until I can no longer stand my very existence.

Anyways... sorry to get all depressing. It's been on my mind pretty much my entire life.

Anyways... so yeah I'll be very quiet until I find a few people I feel comfortable enough with to open up to. This may be generalizing but there is one subtype of NT that I ALWAYS avoid. Men who like to make jokes a lot. I don't know what it is about these guys. You'd think someone who is funny and likes to bring laughter to others would be a great person to hang around. But not for me. They ALMOST ALWAYS turn everyone in the room against me by saying something coy to humiliate me and make others laugh at my expense. I literally have to avoid them to protect my own mental health even if it seems unfair. :?


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26 Oct 2017, 2:03 pm

Plenty of times, someone asked me why I did not talk (enough).

But maybe a better question (interrogative statement):. Why do they talk so much?

Some extroverts act like every time they have a thought or an emotion, they have a moral duty to announce it immediately. They act like every thought or emotion that they have, is the latest greatest scientific discovery



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27 Oct 2017, 2:44 pm

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Hi.

I'm being asked with this question frequently. They say me "why dont you talk?". Do you experience this?

But i have no ppl to talk with. This sucks. And even if someone starts conversation with me, it ends. Because i have zero social and talking skills because of aspergers syndrome. I just talk something weird with my low voice and apparently the person gets bored and goes away. This is why i dont talk and i am lonely! But these people dont understand it and they ask this question.

Another reason is social anxiety. I'm anxious in social environments. I cant talk easily with others. I sweat, my face gets a little red when talking. I'm too shy and anxious.

I want to get rid of my problems and want to be just normal. I want to be able to talk easily, be not anxious or obsessed about something. I just want to be normal! But it seems impossible because i'm autistic.

At least i want to be a little less autistic.


I was often told I am quiet as well throughout my life. It sucks not being able to really express myself without feeling like a robot.



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28 Oct 2017, 1:45 am

Richardf269 wrote:
Awkward wrote:
Hi.

I'm being asked with this question frequently. They say me "why dont you talk?". Do you experience this?

But i have no ppl to talk with. This sucks. And even if someone starts conversation with me, it ends. Because i have zero social and talking skills because of aspergers syndrome. I just talk something weird with my low voice and apparently the person gets bored and goes away. This is why i dont talk and i am lonely! But these people dont understand it and they ask this question.

Another reason is social anxiety. I'm anxious in social environments. I cant talk easily with others. I sweat, my face gets a little red when talking. I'm too shy and anxious.

I want to get rid of my problems and want to be just normal. I want to be able to talk easily, be not anxious or obsessed about something. I just want to be normal! But it seems impossible because i'm autistic.

At least i want to be a little less autistic.


I was often told I am quiet as well throughout my life. It sucks not being able to really express myself without feeling like a robot.


Right?!? Sometimes I come off sounding like a robot too. And then NTs call me "Rainman" because I spew alot of information and have a monotone voice. I tried varying the intonation of my voice and attempted a more "charismatic" feel to my method of speaking but then NTs have commented that I can be overbearing. And then I talk too much again. Ugh. I can't win. Still working on this issue too...


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28 Oct 2017, 1:12 pm

Precious lil "people" have the nerve to tell me "you sound like a girl". And "you sound like a boy"

It takes so much energy and intelligence to verbally explain the slightest thing. And the recipient could have made an unlimited number of wrong assumptions. And the recipient is not willing to be open-minded to hearing something he or she does not accept, like, understand, or agree with

Plenty of precious lil "people" are totally homophobic,. Some precious lil "people" are just a little homophobic. But they look, sound, and act like normal. And I do not know who is homophobic until they do something that shows the homophobia. By then I have already made an emotional attachment.



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28 Oct 2017, 2:24 pm

Many people asked me this during my high school years.

However, many of my classmates were hipster-wannabes, punk-rocker types, or inconsiderate of the feelings of others so I kept to myself because I was worried I might say something inappropriate.

{Also, I had other things on my mind. Thankfully, the HS counselor helped me cope with these issues.}


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28 Oct 2017, 2:29 pm

I spoke so little in school I even had a few people ask if I was mute. I've only realized recently that my speech issues might actually qualify as selective mutism.


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28 Oct 2017, 2:31 pm

Two of my high school teachers saw me {and a few other students} as easy targets for harassment just because we didn't fit in.


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28 Oct 2017, 2:36 pm

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Two of my high school teachers saw me {and a few other students} as easy targets for harassment just because we didn't fit in.


Teachers generally liked me because I was quiet and smart, but other students saw me as an easy target because I didn't fit in and they knew I wouldn't have the courage to tell anyone.


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29 Oct 2017, 7:58 am

Sometimes someone misses the point, when I say something. Including professional counselors. Especially professional counselors.

When I told a professional counselor that, now that I am 33, I am motivated more by fear instead of greed, she had the nerve to tell me to think of it as "want". It's like :roll: wtf :?: Euphemism aside. She missed the point. And she had the nerve to tell me that in a condescending, arrogant voice

When I said the slightest thing, they do not like they have the nerve to correct it. They will not let you disagree. They do not know what they do not know. :cry: homophobia :roll:

When I do or say something wrong, I get an enormous and disproportionate punishment. When someone does the same thing, they get away with it

For example when I was 12, I wrongfully accused someone of stealing something. An entire stampede of junior high school rodents physically assaulted me at the bus stop. At least four

Sine Chen numerous precious lil "people" had the nerve to wrongfully accuse me of stealing something. At least one was on duty at REI. He did not get fired, assaulted, or any other punishment

Uneven playing field

And sooner or later if I keep interacting with someone, I will do something that (they deem) is "wrong".

Some precious lil "people" are so full of themselves that they truly believe that when anyone does anything they do not like it is "disrespectful"

"Disrespectful" is a Trump card

And they sometimes get angry when they tell me that I made too much or too little eye contact. They don't like my haircut or clothes. They don't like the way I walk. They don't like what I am eating. (Tofu burrito). They do not like the way I eat it ("like a pig")

They act all "holier than thou"

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It's their whole attitude


They do or say anything they want to me. And reaction other than passive aggressive tolerance is "you got mad"



Yes that is an :mrgreen: overgeneralization :heart: :heart: (as an arrogant counselor had the nerve to tell me ). But it is also pattern recognition

They act like they have veto power over everything i do and say



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30 Oct 2017, 12:12 am

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Richardf269 wrote:
Awkward wrote:
Hi.

I'm being asked with this question frequently. They say me "why dont you talk?". Do you experience this?

But i have no ppl to talk with. This sucks. And even if someone starts conversation with me, it ends. Because i have zero social and talking skills because of aspergers syndrome. I just talk something weird with my low voice and apparently the person gets bored and goes away. This is why i dont talk and i am lonely! But these people dont understand it and they ask this question.

Another reason is social anxiety. I'm anxious in social environments. I cant talk easily with others. I sweat, my face gets a little red when talking. I'm too shy and anxious.

I want to get rid of my problems and want to be just normal. I want to be able to talk easily, be not anxious or obsessed about something. I just want to be normal! But it seems impossible because i'm autistic.

At least i want to be a little less autistic.


I was often told I am quiet as well throughout my life. It sucks not being able to really express myself without feeling like a robot.


Right?!? Sometimes I come off sounding like a robot too. And then NTs call me "Rainman" because I spew alot of information and have a monotone voice. I tried varying the intonation of my voice and attempted a more "charismatic" feel to my method of speaking but then NTs have commented that I can be overbearing. And then I talk too much again. Ugh. I can't win. Still working on this issue too...


I might be Autistic, but I'm just "on the inside line" of Autism. I don't really have problems changing my pitch at will, but I do often use a slightly monotone voice most of the time. My voice isn't very loud, nor does it travel very far even if I do try and sound loud. The part of Autism I do have, I say weird stuff at times, my humor is childish and makes people laugh only about 50-60% of the time, or they just don't understand the point I'm trying to make because I have a very hard time forming conversations in my head and I find it very frustrating that I can't explain things the way I want. Since I hardly talked in my younger days, I have problems being very articulate with pronouncing words, or sometimes I will say a word I didn't want to say. Or once in a while I'll accidentally phrase a sentence backwards such as "Well I'm going to go put this computer into the hard drive." instead of "Well, I'm going to go put this hard drive into the computer." I also do the same thing when I am physically writing something down with a pencil and paper, and write another word down instead by accident instead of the word I wanted to write. So I have to cross it out and keep writing.

My mind goes a thousand miles an hour every single day, and both my mind/body have trouble keeping up with it. I consider Autism to be a damn curse, as I tell people. I also love eating sugary stuff all the time. It's probably what also keeps me up at night.



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30 Oct 2017, 8:10 am

Attitude

Precious lil "people" act so morally innocent, absolutely important, awesome, wise, arrogant, condescending

They treat me like they are doing a community service, merely by interacting with me



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30 Oct 2017, 8:19 pm

There was a time I choose not to talk to everyone, and not be involved in any social role as possible. It was the best school years I ever had. :twisted:

People DID asked me if I could speak. :lol: Some mistook me for a mute. People are pestering me about it. :x I got away with ignoring them, and me replying is like an unusual phenomenon. :roll:


Sure, I do have the issue of speaking too much or not speaking at all even at this present.

I kinda figured why, yet I couldn't resolve it yet myself... There's this micro timing, it's when an NT would instinctively reply without being accused of cutting off, or being cut off as they give time with those they converse. I figured that milliseconds and their sync, but I haven't figure how they really 'end' dialogue unless they paused longer than or when someone cued me to. Or when is the best 'paused' I might offer 'for them', I haven't figure that out. :|
The whole 'basics' and how they sync is complicated as it is. :x You had to add the volume, tone, pitch, nonverbal expressions, and the relevance to the topic on hand, then keep up with the shifts of topic change. Yet those factors can be replicated -- I choose not to. I focus what's something that cannot be 'replicated' in socializing via acting: timing, focus shift (or shifting gears), and 'filter' (I have yet to figure this one out.).

Timing is very, very important part to yet hard to learn because in and itself is subtile and it could only present itself.


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31 Oct 2017, 1:50 pm

the current counselor marked the box for "paucity of content" on the insurance form

Which made me think - wtf?

What am I supposed to talk about, the entire Dewey Decimal System?

:mrgreen:

You can't measure the amount of content.

Besides, that (among numerous other things) is what I do not get about talking. What is so great about talking?


The conversations that I overhear, while walking on the street, sound so superficial. :D paucity of content :heart: indeed.

Usually precious lil "people" talk so much.... And get nowhere

Besides, what if I did talk more skillfully, then what?

I don't have any authority anyways.

Talking seems so fleet


Once you have a conversation, it is over.

That is one of numerous reasons why I feel skeptical of psychological counseling :roll:

When a tax preparer makes a mistake, the client could get an audit.

In C++ programming language, if you put a semicolon where a colon should be, you get a "core dump". Too many mistakes and you get a "bus error"

When a scientist does an experiment, they write the procedure in a way that anyone that follows the instructions gets the same result. Then publish it in PubMed database. And other professionals of the same education analyze the article

But in counseling, it does not get written down. Much less tape recorded. Or videotaped

Some counselors just say whatever they want. And who am I to question their statements? Academically, I am not their peer