Question for Neurotypical People
I can tell that just through normal observation. If people are quiet then I usually act more quietly. If they're loud and talking a lot I will (try) to say something. If they're just having casual conversations then I'll keep to myself until I either find someone familiar or the topic changes to something I like. But usually the "mood" is a combination of identifiable characteristics which everyone exhibits collectively. We have trouble with expressions or cues but even though the mood or atmosphere is hard to learn it's still doable, unlike facial expressions and the like. All it takes is good mimicry to fit into "the scene" I think. There's not 40 different people doing 40 different things if they're all mourning, so there's only one example to follow.
I'd say the very fact that nobody's talking already puts some level of seriousness on the mood in the room.
But I guess that's not quite what you mean either.
It's not what I mean, BUT perhaps it could feed into that innate feeling an NT would feel. Maybe that "feeling" or "sense" is just an interpretation of subtle clues that gets fed back to the brain and interpreted. I mean, I could attribute all sorts of things with silence.....grieving, seriousness, tiredness, despondency...maybe somebody said something inappropriate before I entered the room and the room is experiencing a cold, silent anger...I don't know, I could go on and on. Yet, it would seem, if what I've read is true, an NT can go into a room and feel or sense the mood of the room correctly....and do it near instantaneously....and not just because they are reading "body language"...how do you instantly read the body language of 200 different people if you are in a large lecture in a classroom? Perhaps you read the body language of a few and make inferences on the mood of others, but that would seem flawed to me?
Nope.....the simple answer aint gonna work for me here...I think I need an NT to respond if possible....and give me some understanding here....maybe I'm exaggerating their abilities......I don't know...
I actually thought about that as well. It depends entirely on the continuity of people's behavior in the room. How similar they are to each other another words. If everyone's doing their own thing then I would usually assume it's a relaxed atmosphere, or maybe they're bored because they're not showing focus, but otherwise I wouldn't be able to tell because there's no single signal being sent. In a party, theatre, bus, or a sidewalk I can sometimes tell but other times not. For example, if on a bus no one is talking and everyone's just sitting quietly than they don't want to talk. I know this because I do the same thing. In a theatre we're not supposed to talk, so the building itself tells the people how to behave. Basically the big rule: Don't interfere or communicate with anyone under any circumstance. Haha, just kidding...but SLIGHTLY true.
Same. I can read the general vibe or feeling from a room, that's fairly easy for me. But I would say that some situations can make this more difficult than others. For instance, passive aggressiveness, or trying to hide that something is wrong.
I used to struggle with telling if someone was bored or not, only really started noticing the signs of when people start getting bored at 15/16. Once I realised what the signs were, I was able to use this information and apply it in my conversations.
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Wow, so this is definitely a gap I have in my abilities that even other people with autism have. Again, if people are laughing or whatever, I can obviously tell the mood of the room. So many times I've gone into a room and starting talking or whatever, and was told that something happened or the room was in the middle of doing some quiet study time or whatever. I would never understand why people would be annoyed, how was I to know what was going on? Apparently, it's a normal thing that people can do and I can't. I think I'll see if I can get this ability to an extent, as freaky as it seems to me. Seriously, it's like X-Men with super abilities or something.
Nobody said NTs were logical. It's advantageous to be able to make such inferences, and it's not like they have some sort of magical psychic link or something lol. They literally only have their own sensory information to go off of, therefore it can only be done by interpreting social cues like tone, volume, word choice, body language, facial expression, etc. Sensory information.
They make sweeping generalizations with everything. Little nuance. Why wouldn't that apply here?
I think you're overthinking it. That said, overthinking things is kind of our spiel.
The phrase "so thick you could cut it with a knife" is hyperbole. It's just expressing that the situation was very emotionally charged (if applied to an emotional state, such as tension). It's not an actual thing they are sensing - they are simply interpreting what their senses say about the other people in a given situation.
It's only advantageous for them to make inferences or generalizations about the mood of the room if those inferences proved correct. Also, it might not be a "psychic link", but if they can take social cues like tone, volume, word choice, body language, facial expressions, and other sensory information and spit out a correct "answer" as to what the mood of a room is.....well, for God's sake, at some point you'd have to ask yourself what's the freakin difference? I mean c'mon, you gotta admit, taking such a large volume of sensory information and also taking a large volume of sensory information that contains completely different types of sensory information i.e. visual cues, auditory cues, social/contextual cues and wrapping them up to get the correct answer...that's pretty freakin impressive if that's literally what they are doing.
And yes, I realize an author is using hyperbole about "cutting the mood with a knife", yadda, yadda, yadda. The author *is* implying an ability to sense the mood in a certain social atmosphere. Maybe I am overthinking things....but I'm sorta in awe of this ability.....I've spent years learning how to correctly read facial expressions and the underlying motives of those facial expressions when talking to an individual....and I can do it very well, perhaps better than most NTs because I've worked at it so hard.....but I could never dream of doing something like what you just described....it's like flying in a plane vs. riding a bike...
But this is what they do, take in hundreds of tiny clues and come out with a guess on what the mood is, they vary in how good they are at this, women are usually better than men, younger people not as good as older, but they all do it fairly well. It's not impressive to them because as far as most of them are aware it's something any idiot can do. It's instinctive, there's no effort or concentration as far as picking up the signs. Some people don't interpret the signs as well as others but they all pick them up. AND THEN THERE'S US What signs? what body language? what on earth is going on?
The reason I'm sure normal do this automatically is because I have to constantly remind people that I can't do it. Nobody believes that I don't know what's going on without being told. Unless someone cries, screams, or goes suddenly silent, I haven't a clue.
I wrote the above when I got half way down page one but thought I was at the end of the comments, but I feel generous so I've decided to let you have it anyway even though most of it's been said
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Someone mentioned being able to tell if someone is bored.
I couldn't tell, absolutely, when someone was bored. Frankly, I probably didn't care; I just wanted to convey to people that I knew so much.
It took me years of learning, plus the acquisition of empathy, before I could tell if someone was bored with me.
I wonder if NTs ever have a hard time with this and if they ever have to observe to know if someone is just playing or just being excited but are acting obnoxious.
I often had this problem as a parent because I couldn't tell if my son was fighting with other kids or if they are playing. Kids will run and hit and touch each other and shove when playing. I could't tell if my son was being mean or just playing and if other kids were also playing with him or just fighting him off. I would look at their faces and stuff to try and figure it out. Are they crying? Are they running to their moms and dads and pointing at him?
And of course when I see people yelling at each other and cursing, it can also be hard to tell if they are just being loud or are fighting. I will look for any laughter, are they smiling.
Do NTs ever struggle with this too at times?
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I couldn't tell, absolutely, when someone was bored. Frankly, I probably didn't care; I just wanted to convey to people that I knew so much.
It took me years of learning, plus the acquisition of empathy, before I could tell if someone was bored with me.
I read people will sigh or roll their eyes or look away when they are bored and they don't engage in the conversation. Another hint is they will try and change the topic by bringing up something else to try and steer the topic another way. I sometimes don't realize this is what the other person is doing so my husband points it out to me. I don't know how often I do it. I don't always pay attention to the cues because I get so into talking what is on my mind. And sometimes I don't bring the topic back because I had moved onto what the other person brought up. Is that reading a cue. is it still reading social cues if you don't know the other person's intentions but you just happened to respond correctly in it? is this what happens to NTs when they read them?
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I've really had to work on this one.
I've learnt not to go to quizzes, I just care too much. Apparently they're supposed to be fun and 'just a game'.
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I've always wanted to go on Jeopardy!..... (the name of the show actually contains an exclamation point).
Jeopardy! has been around since 1964, actually. I used to watch it in the 1960s. Art Fleming hosted, then Alex Trabek.
Alex Trabek, believe it or not, used to host a game show called "High Rollers." A far cry from "Jeopardy!"
Agreed.
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