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26 Feb 2018, 5:15 pm

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This is an aside but as far as I know vaccination is not mandatory in Sweden. It is the parents choice whether they vaccinate or not. Also, the vaccination program in Sweden is far less full on than that in the USA or the U.K. The vaccines are given later, more spread out and several of the ones that contain high levels of thimerosol (like the meningitses c one) are omitted.


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26 Feb 2018, 5:29 pm

I am old enough that I was part of the first generation to get the mass vaccinations. I remember standing in line in the school gymnasium as each on of us got a shot. Sometimes it was an air injection, sometimes it was with a needle.

Here's the thing, I was autistic before I got those shots. Autism existed before vaccinations.

The only circumstantial evidence promoting vaccinations causing autism is that the autism rate went up about the same time as vaccinations became the norm. This can be discredited as evidence, because about that same time, the definition of autism became better defined allowing more children to be diagnosed instead of slipping through the cracks such as myself.

If people could see the results of not immunizing, they might think differently about this subject. What parent would want their child maimed or crippled because of polio? What parent would want their child made infertile by mumps? What parent would want lose their child to small pox? Nobody sees the results of the diseases we immunize against these days to fully understand why immunization is so important.

When ever I see a parent say they won't get their children immunized because of a fear of autism, I automatically assume those parents would rather their child be maimed, crippled, sterilized or dead than autistic.


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26 Feb 2018, 5:46 pm

elsapelsa wrote:
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This is an aside but as far as I know vaccination is not mandatory in Sweden. It is the parents choice whether they vaccinate or not. Also, the vaccination program in Sweden is far less full on than that in the USA or the U.K. The vaccines are given later, more spread out and several of the ones that contain high levels of thimerosol (like the meningitses c one) are omitted.


Well, not mandatory per se, but they were defacto-mandatory due to peer pressure. In the earlier days parents who did not vaccinate their children were pretty much seen as child abusers. That has been lost somehow...

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/the-public-health-agency-of-sweden/communicable-disease-control/vaccinations/vaccination-programmes/


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26 Feb 2018, 6:04 pm

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Well, I can agree there is a lot of pressure. i remember swedes all getting the swine flu vaccination and vulnerable kids getting extra doses and then the government ended up having to pay out for the narcolepsy link.


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26 Feb 2018, 6:47 pm

I got the measles when I was 2 years old---the same year when the measles vaccination came out. 1963. So no measles vaccination. It was considered a "usual childhood disease" back then.

I didn't get the mumps vaccination when it came out in 1968. I know this because I had to get vaccinated for mumps in 1997, the year I first went to college.

I know there were vaccinations for DPT when I was a baby. I remember receiving "tetanus" shots separately. I'm sure the shots wee given separately then. I also got "booster shots" later in my childhood.

I was vaccinated for polio a few times. I remember getting the oral vaccination. And even for smallpox, which wasn't completely eradicated from the world until about 1979.

It's ridiculous not to get vaccinated. Imagine if people didn't get the DPT vaccine! Imagine all the whooping cough cases there would be. And even worse: diphtheria. And many other preventative diseases.

I've had a few tetanus boosters because I injured myself a few times.



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26 Feb 2018, 7:27 pm

My mum was an anti-vaxxer. I am diagnosed ASD level 1, as is one of my brothers and another is self-diagnosed (but he's the most severe). I think my dad would be classified as having sub clinical traits. Mum's tendency was to see everything as a bit of a conspiracy, but also thought Aspergers/ADHD is a dietary/discipline problem that kids grow out of. Thankfully she recognises the diagnosis now, inc that dad is similar(ish). I just grew up thinking I was too stupid to get a grip. Even though I've got a high iq and am very academically capable.


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26 Feb 2018, 9:03 pm

Autism runs in my family. Going back generations, my family was called "eccentric". Walking before talking was not unusual. Extensive coaching of children to speak and interact properly were encouraged by grand parents. Preoccupation with a future career started in early childhood. Very few of us ended up low functioning.


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26 Feb 2018, 9:04 pm

Nope....I'm the only autistic one in the bunch.

I talked about 4 years about I started walking......



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26 Feb 2018, 11:21 pm

The MMR doesn’t cause autism because my daughters were diagnosed with ASD before they got that vaccination. I’m worried about the dTAP. After that vaccine I noticed a behavioral change in my last daughter. Soon after she stopped imitating, stopped babbeling, doesn’t engage and is very quiet etc. So I researched dTap and read all the fine print and they actually disclose that a possible side effect of Dtap is Autism!

Dtap lists aluminum, formaldehyde, human and animal parts as part of their ingredients! This is why I’m concerened.

FYI I love Aspies. I would jump for joy and be so incredibly happy if my daughters had Aspergers. They’re the smartest, kindest, honest most unique & intellectual individuals. However, living with a more moderate to severe form of asd is challenging.

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27 Feb 2018, 12:15 am

The vaccine causing autism is a MYTH. it has never been proven. Autism is most likely genetic and/or environmental.

VACCINES. DONT. CAUSE.AUTISM


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