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Besides; Apples to oranges, young grasshoppah.

You didn’t figure out what causes AS and how to treat it & alleviate the textbook symptoms as described by your homie Tony Attwood. I, on the other hand, did - and THAT is worth sharing with THIS group of people, even with excitement; because it was exciting.

Last edited by goldfish21 on 26 Jul 2018, 10:19 am, edited 1 time in total.

You really need to display at least some wisdom to use that line.



Now I'm supposed to point out all the glaring flaws in that statement, to get a protracted argument going. That's how the routine has played out for years. It's easy to see what's going on when a little scrutiny is applied.

Last edited by EzraS on 26 Jul 2018, 11:32 am, edited 2 times in total.

Tony Attwood's focus seems to be on Asperger's Syndrome, exclusively. I don't sense that he has much to do with classic autism.

Asperger's and classic autism are both members of the autistic spectrum. But both require different sorts of interventions and treatments.

There is no act and never has been.

I am an autistic man who refused to accept my GP’s statement of “Yeah, you’re right, this is Asperger’s Syndrome, but there is nothing I can do. There are no meds for this.”

Instead, I persisted until I figured it out & treated it myself. I KNEW that I wasn’t always that bad and that if something could make it worse, something could make it better - I just had to figure out what it was and how to do it. And then I did, and shared it here.

Now medical studies and mainstream science news are catching up to what I learned and did over 5 years ago, and eventually countless people on the spectrum will benefit because of it - despite you not wanting them to. You cannot stop this train, EzraS. It’s rolling right along down the tracks whether you stand in the way or not.

As for proof, you have no leg to stand on anymore. I offered to spend 2 years and $10,000.00 on doctors visits and lab tests to provide any and all evidence you like - and you declined. I was $110k in debt 6 years ago, but today I’ve earned the resources and can put my money where my mouth is no problem. But you’d prefer your anti-science anti-progress and personal bias against me. Still doesn’t change that I am corrrect and have always been conveying the God’s honest truth about all of this, despite yours and others online harassment and cyber bullying what with the name calling and all. I tolerate it because helping others like me is worth it.

But in order to accurately diagnose Asperger's all one has to do is read that book. The whole 8 years of extensive actual education required to make a professional diagnoses and make a professional determination of what causes autism is all superfluous. Or at least that's what goldfish wants you to go in circles with him over. He makes ridiculous statements and acts obtuse so others try to reason with him. The usual dance monkey dance routine.

Obviously, one cannot diagnose Asperger's based on Tony Attwood's books. But Attwood does seem to have considerable insight into this entity exclusively. He does not really seem to address classic autism at all.

I don't feel people with classic autism and people with Asperger's should segregate themselves from each other. They should, instead, hang out with each other, and learn from each other.

Both are, truly, well-demarcated disorders within the autistic spectrum. And both require different approaches to treatment and other interventions.

Last edited by kraftiekortie on 26 Jul 2018, 10:40 am, edited 2 times in total.

Sorry, but once again I'm not going to play along and go down the same old scripted road.

But of course we're supposed to argue with goldfish that he doesn't have well-documented Aspergers. Go back jack, do it again, wheel spinning round and round.

The most important thing to realize is that very few approaches are "one size fits all" approaches.

Especially in something as complex as the autistic spectrum.

Hopefully most people realize that. My experiences with CBT are an example of that. It worked wonders for me, and has worked wonders for many others. But also not for many others.

The same can be said for my occupational therapy. It worked wonders for treating my autism. But that doesn't mean the specific methods used on me should be used as a template for any others.

Like the saying goes, if you've met one autistic person, you've met one autistic person.

Of all those with ASD I've been around in school and clinics and day camps with, there were vast differences between us. Many similarities as well of course, but even those played out differently on a case by case basis.

I think pretty much a golden rule of autism treatment is it being administered on a case by case business.

A one size fits all approach would have been disastrous for me and all the others I've been co-treated with.

There are umpteen people out there who claim to have discovered the cause of autism along with umpteen people who claim to have pioneered a successful treatment for it. eikonabridge is one of the many. But at least that one has a PhD.

goldfish feels he doesn't get no respect (Henny Youngman voice). And it's true. So any time he can sense an opportunity to gloat, to be right, or to disparage someone who shows him little respect, is exciting to him. He gets almost manic in his insistence that he is right, right, right ...

Unfortunately, that just gets him less respect, not more. He will lie, misrepresent, brag, exaggerate, and spam to address this disparity between his desired and actual level of respect. As long as you can see this dynamic is operating, you can easily disregard what he says, which perpetuates his addiction to these opportunities.

I'd have to see a lot more rationality before I would pay attention to goldfish.