Controversy in Mathematics- Aspie Male/Female Ratio

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10 Sep 2018, 12:01 am

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Have you also taken into consideration that, for younger people (in the middle school age, for instance), the young women who are academically motivated are viewed with quite a lot more acceptance than are the "studious" boys, who usually are consigned to "loser" status. Boys, in particular, seem determined to affect the air of willful ignorance about school work, to be "cool." It seemed to me that girls didn't have to do that as much. Perhaps this leads to less psychological baggage as the girls get older, compared with the guys. It could make the women fit in a lot better and have better confidence than some of the men.


Funny that you should say this, as experience with my kids has actually been the opposite. My son has always been more academically-minded, and that doesn't seem to have caused him any trouble (although the aspergers can do, sometimes). I do worry a bit about how he'll cope in the "real world", but to date he's been fine.

My daughter, on the other hand, struggles at schoolwork and this causes her some difficulties. Though I think it depends a lot on the character of the school itself. In her old school it was "cool" to be non-academic and a bit of a rebel, but I moved her to another school in which academic achievement is more of an expected thing, and she's having a lot of trouble accepting the change.

In general I agree with you, though. My son wants to go into science, and even though I think that would be great in many ways, I am concerned about how little science is valued in general society nowadays, and whether he will be able to hold down a job in a society that is so profit-driven and competitive.



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10 Sep 2018, 12:09 am

something as the bell curve of iq combined with the bell curve of autism ?
https://pumpkinperson.com/2014/10/05/iq-and-autism/



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10 Sep 2018, 10:49 am

RandomFact I thought your analysis of the research was interesting and I locked onto one of your observations

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(b) In many parts of the world, marriages continue to be arranged. In these cases, the preferences of the two partners may be irrelevant to the selection of a spouse.


It may not be the preference of females in choosing mates but maybe the way social structures select marriage partners.

What comes to mind is Ashkenazi Jewish Intelligence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

Ashkenazi Jews tend to have a higher intelligence than all other ethnic groups and excel disproportionately in many fields and has been an occasional subject of scientific controversy.

The average IQ score of Ashkenazi Jews has been calculated to be from a range of 110–115 under some studies, which would be significantly higher than any other ethnic group in the world.

A 2005 scientific paper, "Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence" proposed that Ashkenazi Jews as a group inherit higher verbal and mathematical intelligence with somewhat lower spikes in spatial intelligence than other ethnic groups, on the basis of inherited diseases and the peculiar economic situation of Ashkenazi Jews in the Middle Ages.

Ashkenazi Jews have had success in a variety of academic fields disproportionate to their small population size, including science, technology, politics, and law. For instance, Ashkenazi Jews have won more than one quarter of Fields Medals, Turing Awards, and Regeneron Science Talent Search awards. People of Ashkenazi Jewish descent are also disproportionately represented among world chess champions (54 percent), National Medal of Science recipients (37 percent), U.S. Nobel Prize winners (29 percent), and Nobel laureates in medicine or physiology (42 percent). Furthermore, Jews comprise up to one third of the student populace at Ivy League schools, and 30 percent of U.S. Supreme Court law clerks.

In 1954, a psychologist discovered that of the 28 children in the New York public school system who had an IQ score of 170 or higher, 24 were Jewish.


In looking at explanations to account for this difference.

Talmudic scholarship was so respected in European Ashkenazi Jewish ghetto society that outstanding (though often poor) scholars were highly sought after as husbands for the daughters of even the wealthiest merchants, who could afford to support the married couples. A father who made it possible for the groom to devote himself to Talmud study was performing a Mitzvah [a good deed done from religious duty]. This attitude provided selection pressure in favor of intellectual aptitude, and enhanced social mobility.

If there is a relationship between genius and Asperger's (and I suspect there is) then maybe the Ashkenazi Jewish society selected and supported marriages towards males having this genius trait and their social structure was more tolerant and acceptant of the negative Aspie traits.


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10 Sep 2018, 11:40 pm

jimmy m wrote:
RandomFact I thought your analysis of the research was interesting and I locked onto one of your observations

RandomFact wrote:
(b) In many parts of the world, marriages continue to be arranged. In these cases, the preferences of the two partners may be irrelevant to the selection of a spouse.


It may not be the preference of females in choosing mates but maybe the way social structures select marriage partners.

What comes to mind is Ashkenazi Jewish Intelligence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

Ashkenazi Jews tend to have a higher intelligence than all other ethnic groups and excel disproportionately in many fields and has been an occasional subject of scientific controversy.

The average IQ score of Ashkenazi Jews has been calculated to be from a range of 110–115 under some studies, which would be significantly higher than any other ethnic group in the world.

A 2005 scientific paper, "Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence" proposed that Ashkenazi Jews as a group inherit higher verbal and mathematical intelligence with somewhat lower spikes in spatial intelligence than other ethnic groups, on the basis of inherited diseases and the peculiar economic situation of Ashkenazi Jews in the Middle Ages.

Ashkenazi Jews have had success in a variety of academic fields disproportionate to their small population size, including science, technology, politics, and law. For instance, Ashkenazi Jews have won more than one quarter of Fields Medals, Turing Awards, and Regeneron Science Talent Search awards. People of Ashkenazi Jewish descent are also disproportionately represented among world chess champions (54 percent), National Medal of Science recipients (37 percent), U.S. Nobel Prize winners (29 percent), and Nobel laureates in medicine or physiology (42 percent). Furthermore, Jews comprise up to one third of the student populace at Ivy League schools, and 30 percent of U.S. Supreme Court law clerks.

In 1954, a psychologist discovered that of the 28 children in the New York public school system who had an IQ score of 170 or higher, 24 were Jewish.


In looking at explanations to account for this difference.

Talmudic scholarship was so respected in European Ashkenazi Jewish ghetto society that outstanding (though often poor) scholars were highly sought after as husbands for the daughters of even the wealthiest merchants, who could afford to support the married couples. A father who made it possible for the groom to devote himself to Talmud study was performing a Mitzvah [a good deed done from religious duty]. This attitude provided selection pressure in favor of intellectual aptitude, and enhanced social mobility.

If there is a relationship between genius and Asperger's (and I suspect there is) then maybe the Ashkenazi Jewish society selected and supported marriages towards males having this genius trait and their social structure was more tolerant and acceptant of the negative Aspie traits.


Our culture emphasizes education and critical thinking. I believe that accounts for half of it.