Another verbal fight today. I will not back down on this.

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13 Sep 2018, 7:50 am

I received a letter after my diagnosis saying "I can confirm you are ASD"

just kidding :lol:

I get where the OP is coming from but I don't feel the same , I know some people don't like the Disorder bit in ASD as the 'movement' suggest it's not a disorder merely a difference. ASD is a deviation from the norm and until ASD becomes the norm it will stay that way.


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13 Sep 2018, 8:09 am

could work if the d is for "disordered" rather than "disorder". Or maybe "disorderly"...XD


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13 Sep 2018, 8:14 am

Wolfram87 wrote:
could work if the d is for "disordered" rather than "disorder". Or maybe "disorderly"...XD


^ difference or maybe change it to OTAS ( On The Autism Spectrum )

or POTUS ( Person On The Undulating Spectrum ) :wink:


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13 Sep 2018, 8:59 am

I agree with you. I am an Aspy, rather than I have Asperger's Syndrome. However, constantly getting into people's faces over this is being knit picky, and argumentative, and not productive. My suggestion for a less stressful life is to just let this go. When you pick a battle to fight, it should be worth the stress and effort that you must put into it. The difference between having and being on the spectrum is too subtle for many people, so again, I say just let this battle go.


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13 Sep 2018, 9:03 am

questor wrote:
I agree with you. I am an Aspy, rather than I have Asperger's Syndrome. However, constantly getting into people's faces over this is being knit picky, and argumentative, and not productive. My suggestion for a less stressful life is to just let this go. When you pick a battle to fight, it should be worth the stress and effort that you must put into it. The difference between having and being on the spectrum is too subtle for many people, so again, I say just let this battle go.



I agree this is issue is not as pertinent overall I could call myself under a host of descriptive terms but, in the end I'm just human and nothing more.


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13 Sep 2018, 9:05 am

kazanscube wrote:
I'm just human and nothing more.


Yes, fellow humans. Only human. Nothing more.


*shifty eyes*


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13 Sep 2018, 9:42 am

questor wrote:
I agree with you. I am an Aspy, rather than I have Asperger's Syndrome. However, constantly getting into people's faces over this is being knit picky, and argumentative, and not productive. My suggestion for a less stressful life is to just let this go. When you pick a battle to fight, it should be worth the stress and effort that you must put into it. The difference between having and being on the spectrum is too subtle for many people, so again, I say just let this battle go.



Point taken, and yes I'm sure I come across as knit picky, and argumentative. Situation normal. :) I argue the point as politely as I can, here I was venting/ranting. But when the discrimination becomes obvious to me I feel the need to call out for what it is. Diversity is normal, and I object when the NT world tells me directly or by inference that I need to be "cured". After 58 years of it (yes, I caught the same bs at home in childhood from my parents, professional educators btw) I've had enough. It's bloody difficult to find a comfortable space when the NT world insists that I should either be drugged, genetically modified, or institutionalized because they don't think I fit their definition of "normal". Closed-minded world. :|



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13 Sep 2018, 10:25 am

I have a disorder, I am not the disorder.


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13 Sep 2018, 10:36 am

Joe90 wrote:
I have a disorder, I am not the disorder.



I am who and what I am. Someone else's definition of "disorder" does not define me as "not normal".



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13 Sep 2018, 11:22 am

I'm not trying to be silly or rude. I'm serious. I hope the OP uses caution, else he may end up getting punched, kicked, strangled, shot, or thrown into a straight-jacket. This is no joke, you know how some NTs get when dealing with otherness...and when seemingly confronted by one of those others.



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13 Sep 2018, 3:42 pm

P_James_Moriarty wrote:
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Someone today made the mistake of telling me that I "have Apserger's". I had to, once again, try to explain that I do not "have" ASD, I am an ASD. To say that I have ASD implies that ASD is a disease to be treated or cured. Saying that I have ASD is exactly the same as me going up to anyone, worldwide, and saying "I've heard that there are some good medicines out there and some promising gene therapies in r&d to cure you of that skin color". Both are genetic in nature and an integral part of what makes me me. It is every bit as offensive to me that I am being lumped in with the diseased and sick as it is to people of color, or not, to be told that their skin color is not acceptable and needs to be "cured". Further, it's rather disturbing to me that society at large, supported by medical science, would find it easier to try to modify who and what I am to make me more acceptable to them, than it would be for society to be a little more understanding or tolerant of neuro-diversity. :x :x :x Discrimination is what it is no matter which direction it cuts. /rant


When these language police try to correct me (usually the reason is some variation of “autistic” is offensive) I tell them I have 60 years more experience being autistic then they do so I get to decide what is offensive to me and how I self identify.


I'm not sure I understand who you mean by "they". In this case I'm being the language police, so I assume it's me. I don't care if folks call me Asperger's, ASD, or a horse's backside. All of the above would be true. But something you have is something you can get rid of. Something you are (genetically) is not. It's not a matter of how I self-identify.


The "they" I refer to are people who correct people who use "autistic" and demand that "person with Autism" be used. Nearly every comment section of Autism blogs or youtube videos by autistics seemed to have these language police a few years back. How condescending and infantilizing is that? You don't see that nearly as much anymore because the autistic people told these bullies where to put their politically correct people first language. But you do still see that on occasion. What is still a problem is that educational, Psychological professional and media guidelines often require the use of person first language.

I respect people's wishes to be called a "person with Autism".

If somebody uses "person with autism" I will usually not correct them but just respond with "autistic". I think it is silly to derail a conversation over language preferences. But when people correct and demand people first language I will react.


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13 Sep 2018, 8:25 pm

"You have homosexuality."
"You have dwarfism."
"You have blackness. "

We wouldn't say these, would we? But we say:
"You have cancer."
"You have blue eyes."

The "You have..." structure implies either that something is a disease to be cured or is a very minor part of one's identity.


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13 Sep 2018, 10:04 pm

I tell people that I'm autistic. I don't say that I have autism because I don't think it's a horrible disease that needs to be cured.


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14 Sep 2018, 10:15 am

I simply say, that I function on an unorthodox level so, learn to deal with that as, I'm not altering myself for anyone else's shallow wants


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14 Sep 2018, 10:39 am

P_James_Moriarty wrote:
But something you have is something you can get rid of. Something you are (genetically) is not.


I have blue eyes.



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15 Sep 2018, 4:12 am

"Say It Loud- I'm Asp And I'm Proud" :D !
I"d ra at her due on my feet than likely e on my- bryrr brrr bumm bbb, excuse me, I thought I'd stim a little :lol: ! Huh.


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