Testosterone

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I'm an aspie and decidedly un-feminine.

And being "mild-mannered and introverted" does not make you feminine. Do not mistake kindness for weakness.

Also, the derogatory tone in your posts makes it hard to take you seriously, especially when you finish with "try not to take offense at this".

I'm not sure what my testosterone level is but I have always believed that Aspie males usually have excessive testosterone, perhaps to ridiculous levels. Now, the question is, what that person chooses to do with that sort of a situation? Do they embrace it, thus appearing much more masculine? Or do they do their best to hide it thus seeming more feminine?

I have known men and even myself who actually fear the level of testosterone they may have for fear of it getting out of control or causing damage, hurting someone, etc etc.

I have always sought to control the intense amount of anger that I seem to feel on a daily basis thus exhibiting an excess of testosterone in the process. But when it comes to intellectual matters then I am somewhere in between and the only time I exhibit more feminine traits is when I am talking to women only because I desire to fit in with the group.

Being mild mannered and introverted are absolutely signs of having low testosterone. They are also not at all an indicator that a person is kind. And I say 'try not to take offense to this' because everyone on this forum is in a constant state of being triggered and takes offense to everything everyone says; very much like yourself (another sign of low testosterone)

People on the spectrum produce high amounts of cortisol; and a very specific type of cortisol in particular. Cortisol KILLS testosterone. To claim that you're on the spectrum but you're also very masculine is nothing short of oxymoronic.

I'm not particularly offended; like I said, you're not coming across as someone worth taking seriously.

Seeing as I consider life to be more than just a hormonal battle, this doesn't really phase me.

I'm not very masculine mentally but I think I have high testosterone. I had a real high sex drive & started losing my hair in my mid 20s & started growing facial hair in 7th grade. I take meds that lower/block testosterone to lower my sex drive & to help with male-pattern baldness.

I know I may get some flack for this, but I've got to ask:

KathyKitty, are you sure he actually had Asperger's, or did he just say that to get in your pants? "You have Asperger's, KathyKitty? What a coincidence, I have Asperger's too" and then he 'put the moves' on you.

Salowevision, I actually laughed out loud at that last sentence, well said and well observed.

To get back to the original question, it's hard to say for sure about testosterone levels in male Aspies, because a "healthy" testosterone range is broad enough that I think most male Aspies would clock in as having a "healthy" dose of testosterone, without really saying how we stack up to the average NT male. Also, as men age, they naturally lose testosterone. But I've never really heard of male NTs becoming more Aspie-like as they age. Though it's true they slow down a bit and do seem a bit more socially 'out of touch,' but then again, other factors of aging play a role.

I do agree with your original premise for the most part. If you put a bunch of Aspie males in a room together, varied as we may be, NO ONE would confuse us for the All-Star football team. That said, I don't think injecting large amounts of testosterone into our bloodstream would rewire our brains. We'd still be autistic, still just as socially clueless, but more angry, aggressive, and balder. That's just speculation, though.

My level, as of Oct. 8, is 426 ng/dL which is good, but my "percentage free" level in 1.5% while normal is 1.6 - 2.9 %. I guess that is okay.

Androgen exposure plays a role in brain development and the greatest influence of androgen on the brain happens at two points in human development. 1. During fetal development. 2. During puberty.

Some studies have found that the brains of females on the spectrum are more similar to the brains of NT males while the brains of males on the spectrum are less sexually differentiated. This likely would have happened in utero.

Interesting, but what does "the brains of males on the spectrum are less sexually differentiated" mean exactly? That the mind of a male with AS could just as easily be comperable to an AS female/NT male or an NT female? In my experience, the mind of a man with Asperger's is utterly different from NT males as well as very different from any given female, NT or AS.

It means their brains are more feminine than the average male and more masculine than the average female.

My son has severe ASD and is very hairy and hyper, does that denote more testosterone?

I have ASD and I look manlier than most women

Yes I remember that study with brain scans
They said ASD women are like NT men (but diminished in social area) and ASD men are their own distinct category

Maybe why ASD women can blend in better than ASD men ,
we can just stick to the men and be accepted by them

(although they get quite put off when they realize u are a socially deficient woman, like it is against nature )

Ooh I did not know that! Thanks fr sharing. I’m going to try and google this