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24 Oct 2018, 11:49 am

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though LSD would be alright.

LSD would be a trip.


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24 Oct 2018, 12:17 pm

I'm not really bothered either way. But if they changed it to ASC, I'd have no complaints.


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24 Oct 2018, 5:25 pm

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Sukhareva Syndrome https://www.google.co.uk/search?ei=c8PP ... fHvwqwcobc (as previously quipped). Not too bothered one way or the other on ASD or ASC, though LSD would be alright.


"Sukhareva Syndrome" is a lot more melodic, and less clunky sounding than "aspergers syndrome". And its also alliterative.



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24 Oct 2018, 5:28 pm

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"Sukhareva Syndrome" is a lot more melodic, and less clunky sounding than "aspergers syndrome". And its also alliterative.


And it's not named after a Nazi.


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24 Oct 2018, 11:00 pm

Not found out too much about Sukhareva (there is probably information available in Russian), but to say that she was a Jewish scientist from the Ukraine and survived those times is remarkable - I mean considering the threat from the Soviet State.

Just being a scientist was a hazardous occupation under Stalin, who had some lunatic ideas about science that everyone had to agree with (Lysenko is the search term for more information).

I did read that Sukhareva went on to work with war stressed children and lived on until 1981. At a guess, I think she might have had good friends in high places.



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24 Oct 2018, 11:07 pm

Oh, and according to wikipedia old Hans was not a member of the Nazi Party.



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24 Oct 2018, 11:10 pm

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Oh, and according to wikipedia old Hans was not a member of the Nazi Party.


He was a member of the NSDAP, which was the foreign branch of the Nazi Party, and participated in the eugenics program by sending disabled children to be euthanized.


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24 Oct 2018, 11:15 pm

Alexanderplatz wrote:
Oh, and according to wikipedia old Hans was not a member of the Nazi Party.


Not directly, but he worked closely with them as a psychiatrist and repeatedly specifically wrote in his reports of children to send them to an institution (Including higher functioning kids) that was known for gassing those sent there.


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24 Oct 2018, 11:18 pm

Yes, that was what was involved in being a german or austrian Psychiatrist in those times.



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24 Oct 2018, 11:21 pm

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Yes, that was what was involved in being a german or austrian Psychiatrist in those times.


Nobody forced him to remain in Austria. If he was completely against it, he could have moved away, or he could have done something similar to Oskar Schindler.


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25 Oct 2018, 12:19 am

I think the context of the times is difficult for us to understand - to appreciate what History might have meant when living forward through it.

Of course, Asperger may have been a bad man who was stonkingly brilliant at writing up reports and observation, he may have tried his best under pressure and sent kids for death reluctantly, I don't know, he may have been part of a secret master race breeding program for all I know.

Come Hell or High Water (and it did), the reports of Asperger have a sense of clinical objectivity about them that is very valuable, and that will stand in history imo, however good or bad a person he was.



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25 Oct 2018, 12:28 am

My issue is that he seemed very willing to support eugenics and euthanasia and even supported racial cleansing by deeming certain children unworthy to live. If he was against it, surely he wouldn't have so actively supported it?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... study-says


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25 Oct 2018, 2:10 am

have just skim read "Hans Asperger, National Socialism, and “race hygiene” in Nazi-era Vienna"
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- and will have a deeper read of it later, whatever the case may be, and your analysis of it could be perfectly correct, I will have to report myself as someone with Problematic Context Asperger's Synndrome.



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25 Oct 2018, 2:19 am

"Regarding Asperger’s contributions to autism research, there is no evidence to consider them tainted by his problematic role during National Socialism" = herwig czech



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25 Oct 2018, 2:32 am

"Come Hell or High Water (and it did), the reports of Asperger have a sense of clinical objectivity about them that is very valuable"- I posted this before and I now want to qualify it, the sections and quotes used from one particular paper (thesis?) by a writer called Coojimans, who then offered his own comments, were startlingly accurate for me as someone diagnosed "ASD Asperger's Type".