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17 Mar 2019, 8:06 pm

I think some common traits would include:

- enjoying small talk/ritualized social communication.
- less impacted by changes/more intense stimuli in their environment.
- more of an innate/easily learned understanding of facial expressions and body language and tone of voice.
- more varied, but often more shallow, interests. (Typically don't research things for hours that aren't necessary for their career/degree for fun.)
- typically do not experience meltdowns with rocking, etc, except perhaps after something like seeing their dog get run over by a car.
- typically prioritize relationships/feelings of others over facts and being precise. Less likely to thank you for correcting an error, especially in public, than an Aspie.
- More likely to enjoy a variety of types of physical contact (whereas many with ASD only like to be touched in specific ways or only by specific people or only under specific circumstances).

Some of these aren't true for everyone, especially introverts who are NT. Again, each person is different.

One recommendation I have is to let NT people know a few ways they can help make sure you are understanding each other. Tony Attwood recommends saying something like "I'm the kind of person who..." I used to tell girls in school that I was the kind of person who needed to be told explicitly when something was a secret. I remember that I couldn't just "tell" like I guess most can. I assumed if you told anyone, you were telling everyone...not the case. :|


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18 Mar 2019, 1:11 pm

Sorry I have not have time to continue here, but one good question which could cut a lot of grease is, who would be more likely to determine the presence of a troll, a neurotypical or a person with autism?



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18 Mar 2019, 1:27 pm

littlebee wrote:
Sorry I have not have time to continue here, but one good question which could cut a lot of grease is, who would be more likely to determine the presence of a troll, a neurotypical or a person with autism?
That would depend on the accepted definition of a 'Troll', which no two people seem to agree on.



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18 Mar 2019, 2:04 pm

Maybe my memory is wrong about this, but I think I read a comment warning to look at for trolling on Wrong Planet a few weeks ago. In any case, you make an interesting point, but am not sure if it is relevant to what I am asking, the gist of the question being, which kind of person, generally speaking, would be more likely to be duped? But then I guess the question would come up, are all autistics the same and all neurotypicals the same, and this could be going around in circles which maybe is what you are trying to point out, being a kind of logitician (intended as a compliment) in a way I am not



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18 Mar 2019, 3:13 pm

Quote:
- enjoying small talk/ritualized social communication.
- less impacted by changes/more intense stimuli in their environment.
- more of an innate/easily learned understanding of facial expressions and body language and tone of voice.
- more varied, but often more shallow, interests. (Typically don't research things for hours that aren't necessary for their career/degree for fun.)
- typically do not experience meltdowns with rocking, etc, except perhaps after something like seeing their dog get run over by a car.
- typically prioritize relationships/feelings of others over facts and being precise. Less likely to thank you for correcting an error, especially in public, than an Aspie.
- More likely to enjoy a variety of types of physical contact (whereas many with ASD only like to be touched in specific ways or only by specific people or only under specific circumstances).


This makes sense. At least you're not like some Aspies who think NTs have no interests, no anxiety, hate routine, etc etc. Neurology is a very 'colourful' thing, and saying words like "all", "never", "always", "hate", etc, are not very useful when describing a whole group of people. So it's stupid saying "NTs hate routine", or "nothing interests NTs except sports and celebrities". Like I said, neurology is not black or white. It is very complex.


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22 Mar 2019, 3:50 am

Joe90 wrote:
Neurotypicals have emotions, fears, dreams, talents, etc, just like us.

Neurotypicals aren't socially-driven robots that desire to socialise every waking minute of their life, and they don't have zero interest in facts or animals or hobbies. Also they like things other than sports. I work with mostly guys, and I don't think I've ever heard them talking about sports.

However, a lot of neurotypicals are good at detecting what's 'normal' in a person's behaviour and mannerisms, and what isn't. And if they discover somebody doesn't quite reach their standards, they will judge, either by staring if they don't know you, or criticising if they are emotionally close enough to you, or they may avoid you. OK some neurotypicals will like you despite your quirks, but those are neurotypicals that are more open-minded and have better affective empathy skills, and understand that not everyone can be the same.

But the closed-minded types expect everybody to be the same. I believe there are more closed-minded types around, but there are still a big number of open-minded types too.


Yes.


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22 Mar 2019, 6:22 am

Joe90 wrote:
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- enjoying small talk/ritualized social communication.
- less impacted by changes/more intense stimuli in their environment.
- more of an innate/easily learned understanding of facial expressions and body language and tone of voice.
- more varied, but often more shallow, interests. (Typically don't research things for hours that aren't necessary for their career/degree for fun.)
- typically do not experience meltdowns with rocking, etc, except perhaps after something like seeing their dog get run over by a car.
- typically prioritize relationships/feelings of others over facts and being precise. Less likely to thank you for correcting an error, especially in public, than an Aspie.
- More likely to enjoy a variety of types of physical contact (whereas many with ASD only like to be touched in specific ways or only by specific people or only under specific circumstances).


This makes sense. At least you're not like some Aspies who think NTs have no interests, no anxiety, hate routine, etc etc. Neurology is a very 'colourful' thing, and saying words like "all", "never", "always", "hate", etc, are not very useful when describing a whole group of people. So it's stupid saying "NTs hate routine", or "nothing interests NTs except sports and celebrities". Like I said, neurology is not black or white. It is very complex.


Nicely said.


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23 Mar 2019, 10:40 am

- NTs are strongly emotionally driven.
- They get others emotions easily if they are emotional nearly the same way. (Especially women.)
- They enjoy eye contact.
- They are able to feel deep empathy. That means they feel the way that sombody feels they are looking at or who they have body contact to.
- They are able to identify emotional with others and by taking imaginary their positions in life.
- They get verbal indirectness because they get they recognize the way that others of them are thinking.
- NTs like emotional manipulations.
- They like to socialize but are a lot into ape like hierarchies if doing so.


As soon as you learn to read people emotionally you'll find that many NTs have a nearly as high level of social anxiety as you have and many of them even higher. Many don't even dare to move the wrong way near to others because they are totally afraid to be judged because of this. Their whole body language is quite often strange and anxiuosly restricted because of this. They may get emotions of others easily but many of them don't get themself. :mrgreen:


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