Girls and boys on autism spectrum tell stories differently

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Trogluddite
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28 Apr 2019, 5:49 pm

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Yeah I'm pretty darn special when it comes to worry

I think it maybe relates to what we were talking about earlier about having the "masking" strategy associated more with female Aspies. I wonder if the constant hyper-vigilance for the slightest social slip-up has become so ingrained that I just can't shut it off any more. If I'm not worrying about something, then my brain goes looking for something to worry about (if needs be, there's always; "how much better I could have handled that conversation I had a few decades ago with someone I've never met since."). There seems a quite clear line of Aspie-ish traits through one side of my family, and both my excessive worrying and chronic insomnia seem common in the women on that side of the family - maybe without any of us knowing it, I even learned some of my masking from them?


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28 Apr 2019, 5:57 pm

It's interesting about the insomnia. Even as a baby/toddler I was a b*gger to get off to sleep. Nowadays I'll have several nights a week when initial insomnia is in play.



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28 Apr 2019, 6:16 pm

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Yes, likewise; I've suffered from late sleep-onset since infancy, and have lived with it ever since - I've often wished for an "off" button on the back of my head! I was a little taken aback by what I learned of my infancy from my assessment, which they interviewed my Mum for. Besides the insomnia, I'm told I was incredibly quiet and immobile as a child, and seem to have missed the crawling and babbling stages. I have a hunch that a fair few of my traits are 'family heirlooms', so to speak, such that none of this seemed unusual to my family at the time.


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28 Apr 2019, 6:25 pm

When my sister provided the letter for my assessment she wrote this-

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With a c3.5 year age difference and the fact that Tim went to boarding school when I was about 4, I was not really aware of Tim’s behaviour being particularly different until he was about 7 or 8. From what I heard from my parents however, from the age of about 4 he started to become more quiet and perhaps withdrawn.



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28 Apr 2019, 8:27 pm

SaveFerris wrote:
Most things I have read about girls/women on the spectrum and their ability to avoid detection makes me think that I am either a women trapped in a mans body or have a female subtype of autism.

Why would they want to avoid detection? If I had a medical problem, I would want to be diagnosed accurately, not avoid detection.


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28 Apr 2019, 11:41 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
SaveFerris wrote:
Most things I have read about girls/women on the spectrum and their ability to avoid detection makes me think that I am either a women trapped in a mans body or have a female subtype of autism.

Why would they want to avoid detection? If I had a medical problem, I would want to be diagnosed accurately, not avoid detection.


It's not quite like that. It's more like deep shame and an instinct to hide who you are because you feel yourself to be reprehensible.


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28 Apr 2019, 11:44 pm

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Would you mind posting the name of that article, Trogluddite? The link doesn't work for me.

Aah, you're right; it must have just been a temporary link. Luckily, I remember where I found the link; this article on the Language Log blog, which often has pieces which are pertinent to autistic language difference (the writer, Mark Liberman, writes there often and is also one of the paper's co-authors.)

Here's an alternative link that I managed to find, and a more searchable description in case the link goes dead again...
NAACL, Exploring Autism Disorders Using HLT, Mark Liberman et al., June 2016

SaveFerris wrote:
Most things I have read about girls/women on the spectrum and their ability to avoid detection makes me think that I am either a women trapped in a mans body or have a female subtype of autism.

Yes, I have felt the same, and often identify with the female posters here more than my own gender. I can understand why people speak of "female autism" and "male autism", as the strategies people use to cope do genuinely seem skewed by gender, but I do think that this is too much of a generalisation. A lot of the men I meet who were late-diagnosed seem to also fit the "masking" pattern of coping, as do I, and I do worry that they are as likely to be dismissed by services as is so common for females. I think we need to be careful not to turn the "masking" strategy into a gender stereotype, for the sake both of men who present that way and the women who don't.


Thank you!

I agree with your other comments too. I've "met" a few autistic guys online who have a very similar experience of autism to me. It's tricky because, like you say, it does really represents real gender differences across an average population (for whatever reasons), but cannot capture the variety therein.


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29 Apr 2019, 2:51 am

I've never consciously masked. Truth be told I'm not even sure I could. WYSIWYG with me.



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29 Apr 2019, 3:27 am

i can't help being wizzywig also. :alien: