I was discriminated against at a restaurant

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09 May 2019, 10:52 am

[quote="quite an extreme"] But you could still loose once he or somebody who works there is allergic to dogs.


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Actually, according to Finnish law, allergies are irrelevant when it comes to serving customers using a service dog.


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09 May 2019, 11:01 am

teksla wrote:
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But you could still loose once he or somebody who works there is allergic to dogs.


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Actually, according to Finnish law, allergies are irrelevant when it comes to serving customers using a service dog.


US law as well


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09 May 2019, 12:10 pm

If you're in the US, layer up and sue the place to the ground


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09 May 2019, 9:55 pm

If the state thinks you have a case go with it, unless the process would be harmful to you. For me, recalling an incident can be traumatic as I re-live it experiencing all of the emotions just as strong as the first time. Here in the USA business must allow service amimals. There has been alot of abuse of this law so now service animals must be identified by a vest with a credential. A business can fefuse an animal without one with the proper credential. It is the same for a cane used by the visually impaired. The cane must be marked with the correct colors and pattern to be protected under the ADA.


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09 May 2019, 10:25 pm

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There has been alot of abuse of this law so now service animals must be identified by a vest with a credential. A business can fefuse an animal without one with the proper credential. It is the same for a cane used by the visually impaired. The cane must be marked with the correct colors and pattern to be protected under the ADA.


That is definitely not at all true. There is no credentials, and vests are optional but a good idea. I've seen all kinds of cool canes as well and they are also protected.


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09 May 2019, 10:41 pm

Ok, maybe things are a little different where you are. Here in California that is the way it is. There is some debate over the proper credential as there are at least two of them, one being self certified. I personally know a manager of a coffee shop that mounted a sucessful defense to an ADA suit bucause the service animal was "not properly identified". As for the cane, my wife uses one and the requirements were explained to her in detail when she ordered hers. She was a little put out because she liked the other color better.


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09 May 2019, 10:49 pm

losingit1973 wrote:
Ok, maybe things are a little different where you are. Here in California that is the way it is. There is some debate over the proper credential as there are at least two of them, one being self certified. I personally know a manager of a coffee shop that mounted a sucessful defense to an ADA suit bucause the service animal was "not properly identified". As for the cane, my wife uses one and the requirements were explained to her in detail when she ordered hers. She was a little put out because she liked the other color better.


For service dogs at least, states can only make the federal law on it looser, never stricter.
So it is illegal for California to require any identification
https://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm
https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service_animal_qa.html

"Q8. Do service animals have to wear a vest or patch or special harness identifying them as service animals?
A. No. The ADA does not require service animals to wear a vest, ID tag, or specific harness."


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09 May 2019, 11:19 pm

Well, I guess he got lucky, or there was more to it. Of course there is always the possibility of a local government doing what they want regardless of the law. Most business around here will change their position at the mere mention of ADA, but there are still those that do not comply. I am considering starting an action against the local school. They have expanded over the years, adding additional buildings for two preschools and SDC classrooms. They have taken about 50 percent of the visitor parking and reserved it for staff, but have not increased the disabled parking spaces from two. Any other public site that adds on would have to add spaces based on the new occupant capacity of the building. Thank you for the links. I will bookmark them incase I need them.


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09 May 2019, 11:59 pm

I talked to my friend who ran thw coffee shop. At rhe time there was a health inspector that was citing food service establishments for failing to verify that any animals present were service animals. The example of a compliant animal was one in a vest with a patch. He was able to argue that his action was not a willful violation of ADA, but an attempt to remain compliant with the health department. It was agreed that he would not have to pay any damages, but agreed to post a service amimals welcome sign. He said that the health inspector left the agency shortly after.


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10 May 2019, 12:04 am

I'm sorry this happened to you, but it sounds like you did the right thing to me. That owner needs to learn how to be proper business owner.



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10 May 2019, 12:08 am

You handled that very well and you won. He's going to reconsider next time, or hopefully his stupidity keeps coming back to bite him.



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10 May 2019, 1:41 am

That's weird

Plenty of times I have seen precious lil "people" bring off leash dogs to grocery stores and restaurants. They don't even have to claim it's a service dog. Off leash. Staff legally can't ask for documentation, demonstration, or disability disclosure. Staff can only ask, what job skills does it have.


That's like saying, of course I am , a rocket scientist at NASA Ames

Because I don't have documentation and I can't demonstrate


"Service dog",. The bane of my existence. :roll: "she's friendly. She just wants to say "hi", ozben felek b***h had the nerve to tell me :roll: .


Ozben felek b***h, leash law

It's manipulative to tell me that it is "friendly", because that makes it sound like I have to argue with you about it's demeanor. When I don't know it (Fido)


But regardless of it's demeanor, Leash Law


That's like saying, you stop because the light is red. Not because of "kindness". (Although kindness is good)




f**k ozben felek b***h



But you are in a different country


Different laws



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10 May 2019, 1:57 am

teksla wrote:
Hi,

I know I've been inactive for a while, but I thought I'd share this.

As some of you may know I am graduating high school this year and it's tradition in my high school for the teachers and graduting classes to have dinner and go to a bar afterwards. I have Latte, my service dog with me most of the time.

So here is the story:

As I enter the restaurant the security guard stops me and asks if my dog is a service dog. I answer that yes, he is. Security tells me that we have to check with the owner to make sure it's okay for me to bring my SD into the restaurant. I tell security guard that according to law my SD (service dog) is allowed in the restaurant. He tells me that we still need to check with "the boss".

We walk over to the owner of the restaurant and the following conversation takes place:
Security guard: I just need to check that it's okay for the SD to be here.
Owner: The dog has to wait outside.
Me: My dog is a service dog, and according to law, he is allowed to accompany me, even in restaurants *I pull out my phone and show him the law*
Owner: I dont care. The dog has to be outside, he is not allowed inside.
Me: But according to the law he is .
Owner: I don't care, you can stay but the dog has to wait outside.
Me: By denying my SD access you are discriminating me because of my disability and breaking the law.

After this the owner just ignores me and walks away.


I left a complaint of discrimination to the appropriate authority and according to their lawyer, this was illegal discrimination. Because of this the owner of the restaurant owes me a formal apology and a financial compensation (not big, but still).


I am looking for support as this was my first time being actually discriminated against because of my autism.


I know this is a bad look for me in saying this...
And remember I am on your side...
But your autism wasn't the issue with "the boss".
It was your service dog.

He was in the wrong and broke the law.
I hope the repercussions for him is severe enough to make him change his ways.



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10 May 2019, 2:04 am

Pepe wrote:
teksla wrote:
Hi,

I know I've been inactive for a while, but I thought I'd share this.

As some of you may know I am graduating high school this year and it's tradition in my high school for the teachers and graduting classes to have dinner and go to a bar afterwards. I have Latte, my service dog with me most of the time.

So here is the story:

As I enter the restaurant the security guard stops me and asks if my dog is a service dog. I answer that yes, he is. Security tells me that we have to check with the owner to make sure it's okay for me to bring my SD into the restaurant. I tell security guard that according to law my SD (service dog) is allowed in the restaurant. He tells me that we still need to check with "the boss".

We walk over to the owner of the restaurant and the following conversation takes place:
Security guard: I just need to check that it's okay for the SD to be here.
Owner: The dog has to wait outside.
Me: My dog is a service dog, and according to law, he is allowed to accompany me, even in restaurants *I pull out my phone and show him the law*
Owner: I dont care. The dog has to be outside, he is not allowed inside.
Me: But according to the law he is .
Owner: I don't care, you can stay but the dog has to wait outside.
Me: By denying my SD access you are discriminating me because of my disability and breaking the law.

After this the owner just ignores me and walks away.


I left a complaint of discrimination to the appropriate authority and according to their lawyer, this was illegal discrimination. Because of this the owner of the restaurant owes me a formal apology and a financial compensation (not big, but still).


I am looking for support as this was my first time being actually discriminated against because of my autism.


I know this is a bad look for me in saying this...
And remember I am on your side...
But your autism wasn't the issue with "the boss".
It was your service dog.

He was in the wrong and broke the law.
I hope the repercussions for him is severe enough to make him change his ways.



But I have my service dog because of my autism?


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10 May 2019, 2:15 am

teksla wrote:
Pepe wrote:
teksla wrote:
Hi,

I know I've been inactive for a while, but I thought I'd share this.

As some of you may know I am graduating high school this year and it's tradition in my high school for the teachers and graduting classes to have dinner and go to a bar afterwards. I have Latte, my service dog with me most of the time.

So here is the story:

As I enter the restaurant the security guard stops me and asks if my dog is a service dog. I answer that yes, he is. Security tells me that we have to check with the owner to make sure it's okay for me to bring my SD into the restaurant. I tell security guard that according to law my SD (service dog) is allowed in the restaurant. He tells me that we still need to check with "the boss".

We walk over to the owner of the restaurant and the following conversation takes place:
Security guard: I just need to check that it's okay for the SD to be here.
Owner: The dog has to wait outside.
Me: My dog is a service dog, and according to law, he is allowed to accompany me, even in restaurants *I pull out my phone and show him the law*
Owner: I dont care. The dog has to be outside, he is not allowed inside.
Me: But according to the law he is .
Owner: I don't care, you can stay but the dog has to wait outside.
Me: By denying my SD access you are discriminating me because of my disability and breaking the law.

After this the owner just ignores me and walks away.


I left a complaint of discrimination to the appropriate authority and according to their lawyer, this was illegal discrimination. Because of this the owner of the restaurant owes me a formal apology and a financial compensation (not big, but still).


I am looking for support as this was my first time being actually discriminated against because of my autism.


I know this is a bad look for me in saying this...
And remember I am on your side...
But your autism wasn't the issue with "the boss".
It was your service dog.

He was in the wrong and broke the law.
I hope the repercussions for him is severe enough to make him change his ways.



But I have my service dog because of my autism?


Erm.
But he had no problem with you.
You could have stayed.
He had a problem with you k9 mate.
But your lawyer would tell you that.

As I said, I'm 110% on your side.
I'm just being autistically correct from my point of view.
If your lawyer says otherwise, it would surprise me but I would like to know.
I am the Oracle of Truth after all. :wink:



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10 May 2019, 3:26 am

Pepe wrote:
teksla wrote:
Pepe wrote:
teksla wrote:
Hi,

I know I've been inactive for a while, but I thought I'd share this.

As some of you may know I am graduating high school this year and it's tradition in my high school for the teachers and graduting classes to have dinner and go to a bar afterwards. I have Latte, my service dog with me most of the time.

So here is the story:

As I enter the restaurant the security guard stops me and asks if my dog is a service dog. I answer that yes, he is. Security tells me that we have to check with the owner to make sure it's okay for me to bring my SD into the restaurant. I tell security guard that according to law my SD (service dog) is allowed in the restaurant. He tells me that we still need to check with "the boss".

We walk over to the owner of the restaurant and the following conversation takes place:
Security guard: I just need to check that it's okay for the SD to be here.
Owner: The dog has to wait outside.
Me: My dog is a service dog, and according to law, he is allowed to accompany me, even in restaurants *I pull out my phone and show him the law*
Owner: I dont care. The dog has to be outside, he is not allowed inside.
Me: But according to the law he is .
Owner: I don't care, you can stay but the dog has to wait outside.
Me: By denying my SD access you are discriminating me because of my disability and breaking the law.

After this the owner just ignores me and walks away.


I left a complaint of discrimination to the appropriate authority and according to their lawyer, this was illegal discrimination. Because of this the owner of the restaurant owes me a formal apology and a financial compensation (not big, but still).


I am looking for support as this was my first time being actually discriminated against because of my autism.


I know this is a bad look for me in saying this...
And remember I am on your side...
But your autism wasn't the issue with "the boss".
It was your service dog.

He was in the wrong and broke the law.
I hope the repercussions for him is severe enough to make him change his ways.



But I have my service dog because of my autism?


Erm.
But he had no problem with you.
You could have stayed.
He had a problem with you k9 mate.
But your lawyer would tell you that.

As I said, I'm 110% on your side.
I'm just being autistically correct from my point of view.
If your lawyer says otherwise, it would surprise me but I would like to know.
I am the Oracle of Truth after all. :wink:


My lawyer, who specializes in discrimination law, said that it 100% was discrimination.


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