Did you know most people aren’t honest?

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28 Jun 2019, 1:30 pm

The sad truth is that I struggle with that concept on a daily basis. The worst insult someone can call me is a liar. When that happens, I lose all respect for the person. I usually like to think that people are not lying but are ignorant and well intentioned. This has gotten me fleeced a few times by a friendly fast taking "expert."

I truly hate when people take my words out of context and then use them to attack me. Like I would really tell you what I believe? Most of the time, I just repeat what the person is saying and agree. My opinions are not for public consumption.


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28 Jun 2019, 2:01 pm

There are people for whom lying is so habitual that they can't believe it when someone is telling the truth. They tend to see vast conspiracies where none exist. When I told my ex about something that had happened to me and she called me a liar it was the beginning of the end for us.

Society works best when everyone is honest, but individuals do best by cheating. Major cheaters want everyone else to be honest. We live with the compromises this generates.

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28 Jun 2019, 2:10 pm

I unfortunately was visibly surprised to see a cashier who I recognised when I looked up from putting my shopping on the conveyor belt a few days ago. I wanted to explain myself and told her she'd surprised me by changing into a different person (the other cashier had obviously swapped out when I wasn't looking).
When she replied by saying she had changed into a younger, slimmer version I know there must have been a correct, dishonest answer, but for the life of me I had no idea what it was!
Instead I settled for a bumbling half-truth...I told her I couldn't remember what the other woman looked like! :oops:



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28 Jun 2019, 3:23 pm

I've gotten in trouble for being "too honest" before. People have told me that I "say what everyone else is thinking", which doesn't really make sense to me. If everyone is thinking it, and they somehow know that everyone is thinking it (otherwise they wouldn't tell me I say what everyone is thinking) then why not say it themselves? These days I just tend to keep my mouth shut, life is easier that way.


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28 Jun 2019, 3:52 pm

I like to be honest in some ways, like for example if I find somebody's purse on a bus or somewhere, I would not take anything from it, I would not even open it, all I'd do is make sure I hand it in to the correct authority. The reason I do this is because I put myself into that person's shoes and imagine how I would feel if I had left something valuable somewhere and some kind person came along and handed it in. I'd feel so thankful and relieved that my property has been returned to me untouched. It restores your faith in people.
That's the kind of honesty I like.


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28 Jun 2019, 4:03 pm

StarTrekker wrote:
I've gotten in trouble for being "too honest" before. People have told me that I "say what everyone else is thinking", which doesn't really make sense to me. If everyone is thinking it, and they somehow know that everyone is thinking it (otherwise they wouldn't tell me I say what everyone is thinking) then why not say it themselves? These days I just tend to keep my mouth shut, life is easier that way.


Sometimes frankness is whistleblowing, like noticing that the Emperor has no clothes, or that Mr. A & Mrs. B spend a lot of time in the storeroom doing inventory with the door locked (to keep numbers unchanged.) Other times, it is just unnecessary, like noticing that someone was unlucky at the barber shop, or that an employee is incompetent, but with no better option available. Still other times, you can get a career as a comedian, if you can polish the presentation. Clowns are often found on the cutting edge of public opinion, pushing the envelope with humour, but still getting people thinking.



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29 Jun 2019, 8:28 am

I've been told about how "honest and genuine" I am for years from peers. I never understood why this was an accolade until recently. It's because most people aren't honest.

Considering I've had an obsession with politics for a very long time, you'd think I would have been more attuned to perceiving deception around me, but I focused more on the sociology and public acting aspect as opposed to interpersonal networking dynamics. I am now including that aspect in my studies.

This is a truth that becomes increasingly evident to me over time, and I wish I had realized it sooner.

I also get accused of bluntness.


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29 Jun 2019, 9:33 am

I have known people who rarely tell the truth unless they're retelling a story that can embarrass or humiliate you or someone else.



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29 Jun 2019, 10:09 am

Define "honest"

Mister redelings had the nerve to tell me that it was "lying"" for me to ask him to call me "he" instead of "she'

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Just because someone does not believe it, doesn't mean it's "lying"



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30 Jun 2019, 4:36 am

BenderRodriguez wrote:
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You're the first one to mention honesty as a sign of respect - it's the same with me: I'm honest with people that I see as worthy of respect. It would feel very dismissive and insulting to me to do otherwise.

Candour would probably be a better term. No one should ask me for instance if they "look fat", but I won't go around calling people fat or telling them "harsh truths" if they don't ask me what I think.


I had a dissociated disorder when I was young.
In other words, I had a "lessened sense of reality", and I used the term before I knew what dissociation was.
I remember a policeman walking past me and just saying that one word, I.E. "dissociation".

My point?
I have a very great appreciation of honesty and see it as a gift after my early years of confusion.

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I also get accused of bluntness.

OI!
Tone down the language, please.
There is mixed company here. :mrgreen:



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30 Jun 2019, 6:06 am

I'm listening to an audiobook called the laws of human nature. Things like that are helpful.
I'm definitely not pure in regards to honesty. But I think that has to do with situations while growing up with unreasonable family. I'm carrying so many lies. 8O
Outside of family, I've successfully been what I consider an honest person. It isn't simple though. The mask is deeply embedded.

But really, I'm a terrible liar most of the time. I don't care if they see through it, probably prefer it a lot of times. But some secrets cannot be known.

I agree though. The more I respect someone the more I feel they deserve my honesty. Even if it's to reasonably criticize them. I'd want them to do the same. I can't be honest with my grandma, for example, she's an Aquarius and... should I just let her kick my ass? :mrgreen: Or my mom, and make her cry and ruin her day? :mrgreen:



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30 Jun 2019, 11:35 am

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I agree though. The more I respect someone the more I feel they deserve my honesty. Even if it's to reasonably criticize them. I'd want them to do the same.


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30 Jun 2019, 7:21 pm

It's a lesson I slowly learned and constantly relearn. Dishonesty is the real social lubricant.


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30 Jun 2019, 9:32 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
It's a lesson I slowly learned and constantly relearn. Dishonesty is the real social lubricant.


NT lubricant.



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30 Jun 2019, 9:37 pm

Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
It's a lesson I slowly learned and constantly relearn. Dishonesty is the real social lubricant.


NT lubricant.


Folks with ASD appreciate it too, when it sates our egos. We just don't like to find out about it.


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30 Jun 2019, 10:00 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
It's a lesson I slowly learned and constantly relearn. Dishonesty is the real social lubricant.


NT lubricant.


Folks with ASD appreciate it too, when it sates our egos. We just don't like to find out about it.


That's your opinion bucko. :mrgreen:
I don't share it. <shrug>

RE: Ego.
I don't think much of it and I constantly mock it, as you might have noticed. :wink: