People seem to mix up autism & intellectual disability (ID)

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21 Mar 2020, 6:35 pm

From wikipedia: Developmental disability is a diverse group of chronic conditions that are due to mental or physical impairments that arise before adulthood. The most common developmental disabilities are: Down syndrome, Fragile X syndrome, Pervasive developmental disorders, Fetal alcohol spectrum disorders, Cerebral palsy and Intellectual disability.

I think either they are getting they're information from people who have outdated views of autism or they formed their own ideas from present information about severe autism. For the most part, ASD has nothing to do with IQ. If they want details on the exceptions however, there is no simple answer. I'm not even sure there are good statistics. Here is an article on the subject. I don't know how solid the science behind it is though.

Can an autistic person have a high IQ?


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22 Mar 2020, 5:06 am

^ bookmarked that. TY



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22 Mar 2020, 2:19 pm

Are we really surprised about that? People have always associated Autism with mental retardation or the more politically correct term intellectual disability and probably continue to associate autism with intellectual disability for a while longer.We know know that most autistic people are intelligent,but majority of people don't,but I guess it might be because most people associate intelligence with the ability to function in society.



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22 Mar 2020, 3:08 pm

there seems to be a conundrum in , professionals ability to assess autism.. a distinct lack in the guidelines used to assess individuals .. Just based on my own personal familial experiences and what have been reading of wrong planet 8O . Compensation for social inadequacies , with intelligence seems to be a gift of necessity many higher IQ aspies seem to develop , inspite of however taxing it is on the individual . :roll:
{ But their are those of us whom may not always recognize situations where these gifts , would even come into play } :wall: . Inspite of ?IQ or verbal ability , at best if you are able to guage something is off, :huh: you can attempt to approximate social grace, which maybe as simple as withdrawing from the social interaction and deal with the frustration of isolation, And even try to hide that from anyone in your proximity :shaking: . For lack of being even able to express the difficulty at the moment. Imagine resulting long term effects on the individual. :oops:
Even if that person maybe be in what is considered a otherwise secure environment, (in any given instance of this type of thing occuring). Then add a professional accosting/ interveiwing that same individual as to what their abillities or inabilities are. :chin:
The professional maynot even have a frame of reference to deal with persons under these circumstances. :nerdy: Merely using some previously documented set of norms to make/ cast judgements on the same individual. Am not writing this as a conjecture or mere opinion , but personal repeated observations . Written tests can sometime be lacking in dealing with real life experiences, And kudos to anyone here whom has been patient enough to read my stuff. :salut:


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22 Mar 2020, 3:30 pm

^TY for the kudos. :D (meaning I read it; I get it)



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22 Mar 2020, 3:54 pm

SharonB wrote:
^TY for the kudos. :D (meaning I read it; I get it)


Thank You , am not always that good at expressing things .
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22 Mar 2020, 7:32 pm

^^ Among other things, you touched on what I am currently experiencing (late 40s) "Compensation for social inadequacies ... inspite of however taxing it is on the individual"

And I felt very strongly when you touched on what my ASD-like mom is currently experiencing (late 70s) "attempt to approximate social grace, which maybe as simple as withdrawing from the social interaction..." It's confusing for me b/c she says she's happy now, her "happiness" is near complete isolation, avoiding all stress (which is looming on the horizon). Is that a happy thing?



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22 Mar 2020, 8:00 pm

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^^ Among other things, you touched on what I am currently experiencing (late 40s) "Compensation for social inadequacies ... inspite of however taxing it is on the individual"

And I felt very strongly when you touched on what my ASD-like mom is currently experiencing (late 70s) "attempt to approximate social grace, which maybe as simple as withdrawing from the social interaction..." It's confusing for me b/c she says she's happy now, her "happiness" is near complete isolation, avoiding all stress (which is looming on the horizon). Is that a happy thing?

seems you touched on thelack of stress thing :P , think it depends on anyone person ability to tolerate stress, think as you age , might want less bs in your life. so casual interactions could be , what someone may have learned to thrive on. :bounce: But am thinking people are suppose to be social animals . :jester: so guess it gets to be a very individual thing. if a person gets a chance to be older :duh: . Guess its within their own discretion , how they wanna be . That infrequent checking on her , maybe all she needs :heart:


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22 Mar 2020, 8:03 pm

Jakki wrote:
SharonB wrote:
^^ Among other things, you touched on what I am currently experiencing (late 40s) "Compensation for social inadequacies ... inspite of however taxing it is on the individual"

And I felt very strongly when you touched on what my ASD-like mom is currently experiencing (late 70s) "attempt to approximate social grace, which maybe as simple as withdrawing from the social interaction..." It's confusing for me b/c she says she's happy now, her "happiness" is near complete isolation, avoiding all stress (which is looming on the horizon). Is that a happy thing?

seems you touched on thelack of stress thing :P , think it depends on anyone person ability to tolerate stress, think as you age , might want less bs in your life. so casual interactions could be , what someone may have learned to thrive on. :bounce: But am thinking people are suppose to be social animals . :jester: so guess it gets to be a very individual thing. if a person gets a chance to be older :duh: . Guess its within their own discretion , how they wanna be . That infrequent checking on her , maybe all she needs :heart:


hope have addressed what you were getting at .


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01 Apr 2020, 4:03 pm

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On the flipside autism is also associated with high intelligence in some people and I've also seen that reflected in peoples' idea of it.

It's not really associated with high intelligence though. Intelligence is another thing people are ignorant about. People might view some autistic kid who has learned everything there is to know about viruses or dinosaurs or something as highly intelligent simply because the drive to learn and the ability to absorb and remember massive amounts of detail are foreign to them.

Having strong academic interests is foreign to most people. If you tested those people, you would find that some have similar skills as the autistic kid but preferred to apply them to the social sphere (like remembering huge amounts of details about many different people), or prefer to know lots of general things rather than specific facts (which is an autistic vs. non-autistic difference, not a difference in intelligence). Autistic-specific abilities are also foreign to most people, and that too can give the appearance of high intelligence.

I once had a college counselor call me a genius simply because I had taught myself differential calculus in my late teens. All I did was check out a library book and read it! I had taken all the preparatory math classes in a regular old public high school. It didn't require any genius. Motivation and the kinds of interests people have make a huge difference in the intelligence as well as the appearance of intelligence. People say I'm intelligent all the time just because I majored in Physics. Most probably have little idea what physics curriculum is even like; there's just a shallow mental association between physics and smartness.



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01 Apr 2020, 9:12 pm

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01 Apr 2020, 9:19 pm

Don’t they just! Two totally separate things!



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01 Apr 2020, 9:31 pm

Whether they know I'm autistic or not, people seem to be able to tell that something's up with me, and the popular conclusion seems to be that intellectual disability is somehow involved. At least, that's the impression I get based on how people typically treat me (if they even realize I'm there).


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01 Apr 2020, 9:59 pm

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07 Apr 2020, 11:34 am

Well no offence to anyone who suffers in this area (we all have our strengths and weaknesses right), but yeah I get it why would having traits of ASD make me unable to do random things in life? No one's really helped me much in life and I've had to learn how to do most things myself, I mean I cope alone and have always coped alone.

Two things that bother me though:

the "inertia" thing, you may have had it yourself; where you feel paralyzed when in a new place or doing a new thing.

Short-term memory issues that have been made worse due to some of the past trauma and bullying (even if I'm over it now), and derealization. At home or familiar places this is not a problem, but in places, like a job or college course I've just started I need to memorize the building, timetable, where to put everything etc. Bit of a PITA. I mean no one is born with a road map of their country in their head, but it's just way worse for me, and it's kind of embarrassing and makes me a bit self-conscious to be honest, I do not like showing it outwardly. Been trying to get a catering job through a college course a month or two ago and... well... let's just say memorizing the whole thing wasn't all that fun.

Look I mean everyone develops at their own rate, better in some areas than others this isn't even an asd thing unless it's pronounced. I agree with the OP.


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