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04 Jul 2005, 7:20 am

You people really do not know how to run a country!

I believe that an Autistic nation would posses no law excluding those of a non-Autistic compass, but the culture of the society would create an enviroment where most non-Autistics would not find desirable to remain in. This is done simply by gathering enough Autistic people in one place, multiple virtual simulations have already been done as online Autistic communities intended for Autistics tend to have a very small NT:Autist ratio.

An Autistic government would not collect information on citizens as it would have no centralised control over services such as provisional care, policing and regulation of business. Those services are the duty of the public itself, with independant agencies actually facilitating those actions. Very much how anybody in most western countries are allowed to arrest a criminal, but the police are specifically trained and paid to do it.

An Autistic government, like the British government, may pass any law allowing for flexible executive action, but they may not bind their successors.

The nature of an Autistic parliament will not allow for a single government opposition or for a two-race election. A government must be challenged on multiple points to issues, not just disagreements which give the impression of simplistic polar opposite views. A situation has started to occur recently in the British parliament where the third party are as critical of the opposition as they are of the government as their representation in the house of commons has grown, this has caused the Conservative opposition to finally act as if they are still alive. With the threat of a third party always in danger of replacing the opposition and the opposition always in danger of replacing the government, a high standard is always maintained.

Actually, an Autistic nation would be very much like Britain! We are great!

When I'm arriving in a foreign country, I tell them at the booth "You don't need to look at my passport; it's British, that's all YOU need to know!" . Reasons for visiting? Imperialism!

Yes, it has occurred to me now that I have been describing my own country and now I realise how brilliant it is. But a lot of the things have sort of come about by accident(the two-party opposition for one) but they should be encouraged because they seem to be fixing a lot of problems.



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04 Jul 2005, 7:23 am

I will join your nation... Or maybe Australia will host it... ;)

Oh, and Executions are barbaric, and I do not expect such an advanced nation as Aspergia would be to employ them. Jail and rehabilitation is better by far. Change it.

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04 Jul 2005, 7:31 am

We would, but its a choice between that and deporting them to the NT world. Which is crueler?


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04 Jul 2005, 7:38 am

Yes, on the subject of killing: when is killing right?

I think that is a loaded question, it assumes that if a killing is wrong, it must be it's polar opposite of 'right'.

If someone is killed accidently, it is not wrong or right, it's just a terrible accident. But a state-sanctioned killing has always had something sinister about it. What is it's purpose? If it's a punishment, what pain does a dead person feel? Is the punishment the fear the individual goes through before being killed? What does this say about those carrying out the action? If it is a deterrant, it must assume that the message it sends out is 'this is what will happen if you do the same', but excludes any notion that some may think 'this isn't the kind of society that I care about, where people are killed for ridiculous excuses' and actually erodes an individual's feeling of responsibility to the society.

Rationalising killing is often what cold-blooded killers do, so isn't the same behaviour under state-sanction hypocracy?

We don't even know what happens when a person dies(is that just it or is there life after?), there's just an assumption that death is an appropriate punishment. Is capital punishment a religious punishment? Does this mean that Athiests, Buddhists and Agnostics, etc, should be excluded because they don't share the same axonim(however you spell it) which rationalises capital punishment?

Have I gone way off topic?



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04 Jul 2005, 7:38 am

No one has the right to take another person's life. No matter the circumstances, if Aspergia were to execute murderers, then the government themselves would be guilty of Murder and should be, themselves, executed... And so on...

Deportation is not a bad option, but I doubt another nation would take murderers... Jail and rehabilitation is the only option, especially given that Aspergia does not judge on mental states, and alot of murderers are mentally unstable, to execute them would violate the constitution.

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04 Jul 2005, 7:42 am

As is the case in the US where the law prohibits the execution of those with mental disorders. Individual states get round this by force-feeding anti-psychotics to inmates and then assume that they are legally sane enough while under the influence to be executed(not taking into account the actual diagnosis usually).

The problem with not discriminating based on mental states is that murderous rage is also a mental state(unless you specifically mean diagnosed conditions), therefore you can't act until after any harmful action has been taken.



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04 Jul 2005, 11:28 am

If you can ensure I can become the master of various games and that there are no raw chickens in ovens when I try to cook pizza, I would join.


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04 Jul 2005, 12:52 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
Rape is a horrible crime, but the death penalty may be too harsh


Trust me, nothings to harsh to punish rape...


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04 Jul 2005, 12:56 pm

Rape is almost more severe than murder, in my opinion. But I still say that Executions are wrong.

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04 Jul 2005, 1:13 pm

GalileoAce wrote:
Rape is almost more severe than murder, in my opinion. But I still say that Executions are wrong.

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I say torture the rapist to death.


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04 Jul 2005, 1:23 pm

Lucas wrote:
We don't even know what happens when a person dies(is that just it or is there life after?)


Your rite Lucas the severity of the death sentence, and wether its reelly appropriate, reelly depends on the anser to that question, and it shoudnt be used unless that question can be anserd beyond a dout by those still alive.


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04 Jul 2005, 1:23 pm

To force oneself onto another, sexually. Is totally abhorent... Though the punishment should fit the crime.

There have been talks off castration and the like, but one place I saw suggested forced gender reassignment... That's probably a bit too extreme...

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04 Jul 2005, 1:34 pm

Malcolm_Scipo wrote:
GalileoAce wrote:
Rape is almost more severe than murder, in my opinion. But I still say that Executions are wrong.

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I say torture the rapist to death.


Yeh me to. How about castration, and let em bleed to deth.


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04 Jul 2005, 1:38 pm

Death is the easy way out.

Torture them for the rest of their lives.

Anyway, it sounds like communism to me.



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04 Jul 2005, 1:40 pm

Partly is. Sumthin wrong with that?


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04 Jul 2005, 3:35 pm

GalileoAce wrote:
I will join your nation... Or maybe Australia will host it... ;)

Oh, and Executions are barbaric, and I do not expect such an advanced nation as Aspergia would be to employ them. Jail and rehabilitation is better by far. Change it.

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According to Dr. Robert D. Hare, Ph.D., psychopaths, who have the personality disorder most strongly associated with murder and violent crime, cannot be rehabilitated in the sense of becoming normal, conscientious citizens. They lack the empathy to and feelings of remorse to be concerned about the suffering they cause their victims, impulsivity and poor behavioral control that leads them to commit destructive acts with little forethought or provocation, and shallow affect that means they have a flash temper or may act aggressively as a cold-blooded means to an end.

The risk a psychopathic murderer or sex offender poses to society is too great for him or her ever to be released. The chance a violent psychopath will commit the same criminal act again is too high.

Also, psychopathic murderers come in several varieties:


  • Greed murderers: They will kill someone for that person's money or possessions.
  • Witness murderers: They will kill someone who was a witness to one of their crimes, often robbery; this often occurs when the robber panicks.
  • Thrill murderers: They are bored and looking for a thrill; it excites them to do something illegal because the risk thrills them.
  • Lust murderers: They are sexually aroused by killing and sadistically torturing people.
  • Serial killers: They act on an inner compulsion or addiction that drives them to kill. It is often a twisted form of vengeance against a former lover that is globalized into all people who resemble that ex-lover. They may be thrill murderers who build up to murder from lesser crimes as one might do with a substance addiction.
  • Rampage murderers: They believe they have been incredibly wronged by the whole world and want to take as many people down as they can before they die.


I would not expect a very high comorbidity between Asperger's syndrome and psychopathy, so perhaps BlackLiger-Aspergia would have very few psychopaths. However, the law should obviously be prepared to handle dangerous people with the necessary laws against murder and rape to convict those people.