I hate how creepiness is associated with autism

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23 Oct 2020, 11:49 pm

League_Girl wrote:
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I would not have associated the word creepy with Autism.
I think that recently there was a member of wrong planet (who i think doesn't have autism, who is a b***h)
who decided to come on the forum to muck stir and throw muck at us. (some people really are sociopaths).

When it comes to autism, i would more likely associate the following words:

clueless
naive
child like
outsider
strange
"not quiet right"
weird

due to the various impairments that the conditions causes us especially with social interaction

i think reasonable people once they know what the disability is that we suffer from
they would realise that we are not creepy but disabled

fascists and other bullies who pretend not to be fascists (but who are in behaviour) may call us creepy
in their hate campaigns

that is because they are fascist bullies by nature and not worth wasting your time on
shamefully some humans still haven't got past using bullying as a way to succeed in material terms

but alas, every sadistic action darkens their soul until the day they die and get dragged off by the demons.
darkness goes to darkness light goes to light
no other way


Give it a rest, FFS.
We all know who you are referring to.
Well, all the enlightened ones. :mrgreen:
Personal attack, mate. 8O


I don't.


That is because you aren't "enlightened". 8)
That was smart, how I covered my butt, wasn't it? :mrgreen:



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24 Oct 2020, 12:29 am

I guess I took "we all" literally.


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24 Oct 2020, 2:38 am

League_Girl wrote:
I guess I took "we all" literally.


Silly aspie. :mrgreen:



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24 Oct 2020, 2:42 am

Pepe wrote:
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I guess I took "we all" literally.


Silly aspie. :mrgreen:



Understanding idioms are for Neurotypicals. :mrgreen:


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24 Oct 2020, 3:21 am

Pepe wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Pepe wrote:
madbutnotmad wrote:
I would not have associated the word creepy with Autism.
I think that recently there was a member of wrong planet (who i think doesn't have autism, who is a b***h)
who decided to come on the forum to muck stir and throw muck at us. (some people really are sociopaths).

When it comes to autism, i would more likely associate the following words:

clueless
naive
child like
outsider
strange
"not quiet right"
weird

due to the various impairments that the conditions causes us especially with social interaction

i think reasonable people once they know what the disability is that we suffer from
they would realise that we are not creepy but disabled

fascists and other bullies who pretend not to be fascists (but who are in behaviour) may call us creepy
in their hate campaigns

that is because they are fascist bullies by nature and not worth wasting your time on
shamefully some humans still haven't got past using bullying as a way to succeed in material terms

but alas, every sadistic action darkens their soul until the day they die and get dragged off by the demons.
darkness goes to darkness light goes to light
no other way


Give it a rest, FFS.
We all know who you are referring to.
Well, all the enlightened ones. :mrgreen:
Personal attack, mate. 8O


I don't.


That is because you aren't "enlightened". 8)
That was smart, how I covered my butt, wasn't it? :mrgreen:


Also not enlightened; don't want to be. Don't think this is who was meant, but I have noticed someone whose OPs all seem to be sharing dubious anti-autistic scare stories like "60% of Serial Killers Are Autistic!" I have to suspect an NT troll there.

I've noticed most people revise my creepiness level downwards by a lot after they've met me a few times. One old college friend says that not long ater she met me, I (accidentally) blanked her in the street. When she went on a rant about "what the hell is wrong with that Phosphorus Decree* guy?" a whole bunch of people leapt in to defend me. Awful first impression, but we can improve on acquaintance. Unfortunately, this does not help us in the world of LERVE, where first impressions seem to be everything. (Has no one actually read "Pride and Predjudice", or what?! Mr Darcy ain't no heartthrob.)

*Yes, I was christened "Phosphorus"... :mrgreen:


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24 Oct 2020, 6:55 am

League_Girl wrote:

Was your ex diagnosed? Did his parents say anything about his diagnoses?



He kept me away from his parents or anyone outside of college who knew him.

He gave me a fake name. I don't think an NT would've kept dating him after that but shows how naive I was that I honestly believed it was his name til later. It was an actor's name so nothing came up on google.

(Can't have been his name - 1 he had a 'brand new' facebook he deleted after I dumped him and 2 nothing else about him came up and 3 he was half Polish on his father's side and it wasn't a Polish name...)

He told me his mother worked at my old uni.

He asked me loads of questions but never revealed anything about himself.

He hated meeting my parents. At first I put that down to 'compartmentalising'. But even then, it's a little odd.

He was an expert in how to manipulate someone. Esp autistic people. But just people in general - he would bs to their faces and charm them superficially, they would all love him then he would b...ch about them to me behind their backs.

I wasn't attracted to him - he was ugly and he wasn't a nice person who I'd choose to be friends with, either. It was just that something told me 'you have to date this guy'. Because I was afraid not to. Pretty much everyone was afraid to not give him what he wanted. He was 26 - I was 22 and a naive, childlike form of autistic.


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24 Oct 2020, 7:52 am

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A lot of stalkers don't...

I do and I'm not a stalker.

People need to quit stereotyping autistic people like that. If someone's a stalker, likely they're either a bad person or there's more going on than autism.


I came to the conclusion that not all stalkers are bad people. Some do it because they are lonely and are trying to look for friends and don't know how to get friends, and don't realize that they are stalking. They would NEVER hurt anyone. Yet they can get branded in with those who stalk to cause harm and distress.
No, not all stalkers are bad people. It depends on their intensions.



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24 Oct 2020, 8:59 am

Mountain Goat wrote:
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A lot of stalkers don't...

I do and I'm not a stalker.

People need to quit stereotyping autistic people like that. If someone's a stalker, likely they're either a bad person or there's more going on than autism.


I came to the conclusion that not all stalkers are bad people. Some do it because they are lonely and are trying to look for friends and don't know how to get friends, and don't realize that they are stalking. They would NEVER hurt anyone. Yet they can get branded in with those who stalk to cause harm and distress.
No, not all stalkers are bad people. It depends on their intensions.


This is why society needs to be more aspie friendly.

If people had rules openly displayed as to how to behave - if people were told how to behave in specific language - if it was considered polite to say 'go away' or 'leave me alone' this wouldn't happen.

But NTs expect everyone to be mind readers.

Then don't consider expecting people to be mind readers to be creepy. Sorry but mind reading is from horror movies.


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24 Oct 2020, 11:04 am

League_Girl wrote:
"Creepy" is a relative word because a man wandering in the park by himself can be creepy or a man that decides to talk to a woman and strike up a conversation can also be creepy.

It's a matter of feeling the woman gets about a guy. They will mind as well admit they simply just don't like men and they have implicit bias about them.
In other words, "creepy" is a dog whistle for "ugly" or "unattractive". Pretty much anything an ugly man does, from saying hi to spanking a random woman, can and will be considered creepy. Awkward or clunky body langauge doesn't help, but is far from the main factor. But a sexy-looking man can do anything short of blatantly sexual touches, and still be received favorably. Even if his body language is awkward, it won't garner a negative reaction for the most part.

I'm not just espousing Material That Shall Not Be Named. It's something I personally experienced. Back in my younger years, women would have a disgusted facial expression after taking one look at me. One waitress said to her colleague that I had "creepy eyes", even though all I did was asked for onions to be left off my burger, and my food looked tampered with when it came. But after I got older and aged into my looks, women's reactions to me were far better. For instance, when I'd take a woman by the hand and pull her into a dance at a party, she'd either dance with me, or have a mostly-neutral "thanks, but no thanks" reaction. One girl on a cruise even thanked me for asking, touched me on the arm, told me I did great when she saw me dancing with another girl, all while she was turning me down, after I asked to salsa dance with me.

If that cruise girl's reaction isn't a sign I aged into my looks, and was therefore no longer "creepy", then my name is Kamala Harris. The only reasons she still turned me down was because she didn't know salsa or wanted to sit with her friends at that moment.



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24 Oct 2020, 11:25 am

Women are visual creatures too.

Mr Girl is hot.

But he's creepy.

He says stuff like 'it's normal to consider eleven year olds hot' and 'I called her Cookie' and 'women don't like talking about deep stuff like anal sex'...

That's why he's creepy.

That's probably why his girlfriend isn't hot.

An ugly guy wouldn't get a girlfriend if he said those things.

At least old guys can read the news.


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