Polygraph (a device detecting deception) and AS

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21 Feb 2013, 11:26 am

Thanks. I know it's an Aspie thing not to automatically give someone respect just because of their position in society, we respect where it's due.


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21 Feb 2013, 3:09 pm

whirlingmind wrote:
Thanks. I know it's an Aspie thing not to automatically give someone respect just because of their position in society, we respect where it'd due.
Well, I think I would initially give someone at least the minimum respect based on their perceived office, but what I would not give them is my trust. Until I know them or have seen them in action I have no basis for trusting them, as officials often make up the rules as they go. When I have a basis for trusting them they will have earned a greater degree of my respect and if I have much experience with them and they have not betrayed my trust or that of anyone else they will receive my respect more fully.

Trust and respect are somewhat intertwined There is
-- distrust,
-- benefit of the doubt trust and
-- extensive trust.
I can give some respect to someone I have little reason to yet trust but I cannot give respect to someone I do cannot trust. For the sake of their office I am reticent however to express disrespect.

Back on the thread topic, anyone who says that they can rely on polygraphs is to be untrusted as they are either ignorant or a liar, and it is hard to respect them much either.


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21 Feb 2013, 5:29 pm

Currently, there is existing research that indicates that polygraphs aren't reliable, especially in those who have MR/DD or neurodevelopmental disabilities, due to the fact that information is processed differently in the brain and a strong correlation between these conditions and poor/irregular GSR, which is one of the crucial measurements taken during a polygraph.



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09 Dec 2013, 8:36 pm

Sorry for resurrecting a dead topic however; I just failed a Polygraph. I have taken three now. the first one 6 months ago was inconclusive; the one 3 months ago was negative and the one I took 1 hour ago was positive.

I have to take these as a part of a domestic violence treatment (I splashed my X wife with water 1 yr ago) and they are using this information to keep a GPS device around my ankle (EHM). MY therapist had said the only way I will get it off befor my time is up is if I pass a polygraph continually.


The EHM costs 450 per month. And this whole time I do not get to see my kids. The entire test all i can think off is that I miss my boys. If I fail I cant see my kids ... and now I did.

I wont find out what the courts do to me until Jan 7 but this is going to make for a terrible month.



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10 Dec 2013, 7:31 am

Doc_Daneeka wrote:
Is it worth pointing out that there isn't any solid evidence that they work in the first place?


They work at what they are designed to do...monitor physiological changes during questioning. It's up to the human administering the test to determine if these changes indicate honesty or deception. The unreliability of human judgment as well as the wide diversity in subject reactions being based on things OTHER than deception makes the test unreliable at best.



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10 Dec 2013, 12:15 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
Doc_Daneeka wrote:
Is it worth pointing out that there isn't any solid evidence that they work in the first place?


They work at what they are designed to do...monitor physiological changes during questioning. It's up to the human administering the test to determine if these changes indicate honesty or deception. The unreliability of human judgment as well as the wide diversity in subject reactions being based on things OTHER than deception makes the test unreliable at best.


That depends on what you deem as reliable. 70% accuracy? 99.9999% accuracy?


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10 Dec 2013, 1:59 pm

cavernio wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
Doc_Daneeka wrote:
Is it worth pointing out that there isn't any solid evidence that they work in the first place?


They work at what they are designed to do...monitor physiological changes during questioning. It's up to the human administering the test to determine if these changes indicate honesty or deception. The unreliability of human judgment as well as the wide diversity in subject reactions being based on things OTHER than deception makes the test unreliable at best.


That depends on what you deem as reliable. 70% accuracy? 99.9999% accuracy?


Well, to what I know not one US court allows polygraph tests as evidence of truthfulness in trials anymore...they are that "reliable" (sic).

A good tester can beat the polygraph. A dishonest examiner can ensure the tester always fails.



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23 Dec 2013, 2:46 am

There have been studies on polygraphs and galvanic skin response in autistic subjects, one done by a researcher with last name Mangina. :oops: