18 Jan 2021, 6:24 pm
Tross wrote:
I occasionally play the ASD card as it is, when it is to my advantage. If ASD and neurodiversity becomes "woke", I'll simply milk that for all it's worth. Why not, since women and minorities can use that part of their identity to get ahead in some cases? 
Things are moving in a direction where people of certain groups are elevated anyways. Nothing I can say or do about it is going to change that, so I may as well just enjoy the perks of that.
Things are moving in a direction where people of certain groups are elevated anyways. Nothing I can say or do about it is going to change that, so I may as well just enjoy the perks of that.Things have always been that way. Certain groups have always been elevated over others. Sometimes equality looks like a power grab.
NTs have the power when it comes to NT/autistic power imbalances.
If I get the chance to demand I can eat food which is edible to me? Or lighting which is appropriate for my needs? I'll take it.
I'll put up with adding content warnings to stuff for people who have PTSD. Because although society doesn't necessarily see that as 'important', I respect people's feelings enough to do that.
18 Jan 2021, 6:35 pm
League_Girl wrote:
lvpin wrote:
I think you will be right because I feel it is already starting. The issue is I don't think it will manifest in a fully helpful way. For example awhile ago this self diagnosed possibly autistic person made a video of them stimming and then diagnosed autistic people hopped on the trend to show their stims to get rid of stigma. However stimming isn't "normal" and so when people found out the first person was self dignosed they started ripping everyone who did it to shreds and then some diagnosed autistic people made it worse by mocking the stimming and basically insinuating big stims like flapping hands were fake because they didn't do it even though thats pretty textbook stuff. Anyway, what I'm seeing now is people kind of mocking autistic things and then saying "Well actually I'm mocking the people who fake it" and that is how it is manifesting so far. They're being neurotyoical saviours. Hopefully it ends up in a better place eventually though.
It has come to a point where people just assume you are an attention seeking whore when you have your diagnoses listed in your bio like on Tumblr or Twitter. They assume you are self diagnosed. Look at illnessfakers subreddit or illnessfakersinthewild.
That will teach you for going on twitter.
I don't know what the heck 'tumblr' is, which should speak volumes.
18 Jan 2021, 6:38 pm
cyberdad wrote:
dorkseid wrote:
It still remains commonplace, even among the vocal feminists and SJWs of the Far Left, to diminish, belittle, and even vilify adults with AS, often calling us incels, losers, and other slurs. When I suffered an emotional breakdown following two and a half years of psychological abuse at the hands of my ex-fiancé, nearly everybody from the Libral Arts college I attended decided that since I'm the man in the situation that by default I must be the bad guy and treated me accordingly. And though these events took place in 2009, I was still being dogpiled and bullied over it by a bunch of feminists on FB as recently as 2017. And even after I thoroughly explained that I suffer from autism spectrum disorder, major depression, and generalized anxiety disorder; and that I was unemployed at homeless as a result, they persisted in their bullying, saying that because I'm a privileged white male its my own fault and that I don't want to hold a job because I'm lazy.
I think it sucks what you have gone through but unfortunately these are the facts of life. Being "uber" NT overrides any sense of being left or right wing.
While I am more sympathetic to left wing social values it does not mean I engage with left wing groups. Being part of a "woke" community whether it be feminists at a liberal arts college or students involved in environmental activism or vegans involved in animal rights etc. requires some demonstration of commitment/sacrifice to the cause. A lack of commitment or lukewarm interest is not good enough.
So I would advise don't "throw the baby with the bath water", there are good people out there, you need to keep searching like the rest of us. Don't associate "wokeness" with the issues, NT people tend to be cliquey and this is a problem with groups whether they be SJWs, christians, MAGAs or any other groups.
'Evidence'.
cyberdad wrote:
KT67 wrote:
One thing in favour of "woke" people...
I went on holiday at an artistic retreat with some.
They were all artists obviously.
But also so many autistic people! Especially LGBT people and autistic women!
The mindset was "harm none, live and let live, everyone should be treated with respect and those who are 'weird' whether because they're LGBT or because they're autistic or whatever shouldn't be shunned but should be welcomed".
Nicest place I've been as an autistic person tbh.
Contrast that with working in right wing villages where anyone "weird" was outcast. Or even just normal society where it's seen as "mean" to pick on people who are different if they "can't help it" but it still happens anyway and there's social hierarchy.
I went on holiday at an artistic retreat with some.
They were all artists obviously.
But also so many autistic people! Especially LGBT people and autistic women!
The mindset was "harm none, live and let live, everyone should be treated with respect and those who are 'weird' whether because they're LGBT or because they're autistic or whatever shouldn't be shunned but should be welcomed".
Nicest place I've been as an autistic person tbh.
Contrast that with working in right wing villages where anyone "weird" was outcast. Or even just normal society where it's seen as "mean" to pick on people who are different if they "can't help it" but it still happens anyway and there's social hierarchy.
Which is precisely why I told the OP to keep an open mind and keep searching. There are good people out there.
'Evidence'.
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18 Jan 2021, 6:44 pm
KT67 wrote:
One thing in favour of "woke" people...
I went on holiday at an artistic retreat with some.
They were all artists obviously.
But also so many autistic people! Especially LGBT people and autistic women!
The mindset was "harm none, live and let live, everyone should be treated with respect and those who are 'weird' whether because they're LGBT or because they're autistic or whatever shouldn't be shunned but should be welcomed".
Nicest place I've been as an autistic person tbh.
Contrast that with working in right wing villages where anyone "weird" was outcast. Or even just normal society where it's seen as "mean" to pick on people who are different if they "can't help it" but it still happens anyway and there's social hierarchy.
I went on holiday at an artistic retreat with some.
They were all artists obviously.
But also so many autistic people! Especially LGBT people and autistic women!
The mindset was "harm none, live and let live, everyone should be treated with respect and those who are 'weird' whether because they're LGBT or because they're autistic or whatever shouldn't be shunned but should be welcomed".
Nicest place I've been as an autistic person tbh.
Contrast that with working in right wing villages where anyone "weird" was outcast. Or even just normal society where it's seen as "mean" to pick on people who are different if they "can't help it" but it still happens anyway and there's social hierarchy.
Do you ever go on twitter?
If you want left-wing nasty, you will find it in spades there, so I have heard.
I have no reason to disbelieve my respected sources, on this one.
There are biatches and bastardos on both sides of the political divide.
You got lucky.
18 Jan 2021, 6:45 pm
Pepe wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
lvpin wrote:
I think you will be right because I feel it is already starting. The issue is I don't think it will manifest in a fully helpful way. For example awhile ago this self diagnosed possibly autistic person made a video of them stimming and then diagnosed autistic people hopped on the trend to show their stims to get rid of stigma. However stimming isn't "normal" and so when people found out the first person was self dignosed they started ripping everyone who did it to shreds and then some diagnosed autistic people made it worse by mocking the stimming and basically insinuating big stims like flapping hands were fake because they didn't do it even though thats pretty textbook stuff. Anyway, what I'm seeing now is people kind of mocking autistic things and then saying "Well actually I'm mocking the people who fake it" and that is how it is manifesting so far. They're being neurotyoical saviours. Hopefully it ends up in a better place eventually though.
It has come to a point where people just assume you are an attention seeking whore when you have your diagnoses listed in your bio like on Tumblr or Twitter. They assume you are self diagnosed. Look at illnessfakers subreddit or illnessfakersinthewild.
That will teach you for going on twitter.
I don't know what the heck 'tumblr' is, which should speak volumes.
Simple, just don't put your diagnoses or your suspected disorders you may have in your profile. Problem solved.
18 Jan 2021, 6:50 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Tross wrote:
I occasionally play the ASD card as it is, when it is to my advantage. If ASD and neurodiversity becomes "woke", I'll simply milk that for all it's worth. Why not, since women and minorities can use that part of their identity to get ahead in some cases? Things are moving in a direction where people of certain groups are elevated anyways. Nothing I can say or do about it is going to change that, so I may as well just enjoy the perks of that.
Things are moving in a direction where people of certain groups are elevated anyways. Nothing I can say or do about it is going to change that, so I may as well just enjoy the perks of that.I don't think it's necessary to milk it though. For example Greta Thunberg does not use her ASD to promote climate change activism. I admire her tenacity (despite her tender age and despite people ridiculing her).
Erm, but others do.
Apparently, according to some, she is an autistic savant and cuts through the crap to get to the truth.
18 Jan 2021, 6:55 pm
Pepe wrote:
Erm, but others do.
Apparently, according to some, she is an autistic savant and cuts through the crap to get to the truth.
Apparently, according to some, she is an autistic savant and cuts through the crap to get to the truth.
So what do you propose? The problem with any form of public identity is, you're not in control of any of the stuff that happens downstream. People read into things whatever they want, and there's little that can be done about it. You'll forever be associated with skunks by the members of this forum, for example. Third part analysis of that could get very weird indeed.....
18 Jan 2021, 7:05 pm
18 Jan 2021, 7:22 pm
Redd_Kross wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Erm, but others do.
Apparently, according to some, she is an autistic savant and cuts through the crap to get to the truth.
Apparently, according to some, she is an autistic savant and cuts through the crap to get to the truth.
So what do you propose? The problem with any form of public identity is, you're not in control of any of the stuff that happens downstream. People read into things whatever they want, and there's little that can be done about it. You'll forever be associated with skunks by the members of this forum, for example. Third part analysis of that could get very weird indeed.....
But you must admit, I'm the smartest skunk in the known universe.
I can live with that.
18 Jan 2021, 7:27 pm
dorkseid wrote:
lvpin wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
lvpin wrote:
I think you will be right because I feel it is already starting. The issue is I don't think it will manifest in a fully helpful way. For example awhile ago this self diagnosed possibly autistic person made a video of them stimming and then diagnosed autistic people hopped on the trend to show their stims to get rid of stigma. However stimming isn't "normal" and so when people found out the first person was self dignosed they started ripping everyone who did it to shreds and then some diagnosed autistic people made it worse by mocking the stimming and basically insinuating big stims like flapping hands were fake because they didn't do it even though thats pretty textbook stuff. Anyway, what I'm seeing now is people kind of mocking autistic things and then saying "Well actually I'm mocking the people who fake it" and that is how it is manifesting so far. They're being neurotyoical saviours. Hopefully it ends up in a better place eventually though.
It has come to a point where people just assume you are an attention seeking whore when you have your diagnoses listed in your bio like on Tumblr or Twitter. They assume you are self diagnosed. Look at illnessfakers subreddit or illnessfakersinthewild.
What I was talking about was on tik tok but unfortunately it is on other websites. It makes me really mad and it just seems like they want to be ableist but in a way they can feel good about. What makes me the most annoyed is people who are neurodiverse etc who go along with it.
All SJW culture is about is finding someone they can bully while virtue signaling at the same time. Let's find some poor disabled person who happens to be a white male so we can all go dogpile on him and tell him all about how his struggles are invalid because he's "privileged" and how that makes him a total piece of sh!t then pat ourselves on the back and congratulate ourselves for being such great f***ing heroes.
This is the mob mentality that the evolutionary process has saddled us with.
That is one of the reasons why I think humanity, as a species, is an abomination.
Had I know what the dominant life forms were like, I would have strangled myself with my own umbilical cord before I was born.
18 Jan 2021, 7:42 pm
Pepe wrote:
Redd_Kross wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Erm, but others do.
Apparently, according to some, she is an autistic savant and cuts through the crap to get to the truth.
Apparently, according to some, she is an autistic savant and cuts through the crap to get to the truth.
So what do you propose? The problem with any form of public identity is, you're not in control of any of the stuff that happens downstream. People read into things whatever they want, and there's little that can be done about it. You'll forever be associated with skunks by the members of this forum, for example. Third part analysis of that could get very weird indeed.....
But you must admit, I'm the smartest skunk in the known universe.
I can live with that.
Ahhhhh, you're missing the point. What happens next is out of your hands.
What if Teh Internets decide you're the dumbest skunk of all time?
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18 Jan 2021, 10:46 pm
KT67 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
KT67 wrote:
One thing in favour of "woke" people...
I went on holiday at an artistic retreat with some.
They were all artists obviously.
But also so many autistic people! Especially LGBT people and autistic women!
The mindset was "harm none, live and let live, everyone should be treated with respect and those who are 'weird' whether because they're LGBT or because they're autistic or whatever shouldn't be shunned but should be welcomed".
Nicest place I've been as an autistic person tbh.
Contrast that with working in right wing villages where anyone "weird" was outcast. Or even just normal society where it's seen as "mean" to pick on people who are different if they "can't help it" but it still happens anyway and there's social hierarchy.
I went on holiday at an artistic retreat with some.
They were all artists obviously.
But also so many autistic people! Especially LGBT people and autistic women!
The mindset was "harm none, live and let live, everyone should be treated with respect and those who are 'weird' whether because they're LGBT or because they're autistic or whatever shouldn't be shunned but should be welcomed".
Nicest place I've been as an autistic person tbh.
Contrast that with working in right wing villages where anyone "weird" was outcast. Or even just normal society where it's seen as "mean" to pick on people who are different if they "can't help it" but it still happens anyway and there's social hierarchy.
Which is precisely why I told the OP to keep an open mind and keep searching. There are good people out there.
In terms of practical things they were better than regular people too.
I went to a regular artistic retreat & it was all about fancy food and everyone cooking. I received ableism against my dyspraxia, whispering in corners about my dyspraxia and because I'm taste sensitive I couldn't eat the food. They had 2 foods available: vegetarian mush and meaty mush.
When I went there, I could basically specify the foods and they had trained staff make it. If someone wanted to help the staff, that was up to them but there was no obligation. I had 2 days eating my own 'special' (plain) food and one day eating something which was my suggestion but so exciting they made it for everyone (a Sunday dinner).
I will say that if they were aiming at being leftists rather than liberal they would be hypocrites. Unless you were on benefit, everything cost a lot of money, they only really subsidised some of the places. But I don't think they were claiming to be a socialist utopia - just a socially liberal place.
Online - people are idiots. Not everyone but enough people where I don't like being part of any political group online. Maybe less so on a moderated site like this, but it is easy to demonise one's opponents on a big place like Twitter & lack empathy for them. It is hard to see the difference online between someone who is trying and made a mistake and someone who is provoking for the sake of being a troll. That's why I think it's a good idea to focus more on people irl.
Glad to hear you found a place where you feel you fit in
18 Jan 2021, 10:50 pm
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Tross wrote:
I occasionally play the ASD card as it is, when it is to my advantage. If ASD and neurodiversity becomes "woke", I'll simply milk that for all it's worth. Why not, since women and minorities can use that part of their identity to get ahead in some cases? Things are moving in a direction where people of certain groups are elevated anyways. Nothing I can say or do about it is going to change that, so I may as well just enjoy the perks of that.
Things are moving in a direction where people of certain groups are elevated anyways. Nothing I can say or do about it is going to change that, so I may as well just enjoy the perks of that.I don't think it's necessary to milk it though. For example Greta Thunberg does not use her ASD to promote climate change activism. I admire her tenacity (despite her tender age and despite people ridiculing her).
Erm, but others do.
Apparently, according to some, she is an autistic savant and cuts through the crap to get to the truth.
Cmon Peps...you know what I mean. She doesn't make her identity as a enviro-warrior about her autism. You gotta put aside your preferences for Bolt/Credlin's perspectives and give her some credit.
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