Question about having sadism and ASD at the same time

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27 Mar 2021, 7:24 pm

Thank you!

However, I do understand that two wrongs don't make it right and it is illegal.



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28 Mar 2021, 1:51 pm

FranzOren wrote:
Is it normal for me to have unhealthy sadistic thoughts?

I have sadistic thoughts of revenge, because I sometimes used to be made fun of because I wasn't like my peers.

It was in Elementary School.

I am worried that I have Antisocial Personality Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder after all that.


I have serious anger problems, have thoughts of dark revenge and betrayal and decided to only talk with my parents about it, because I once talked about my dark revenge online, the police officers came to my house and talked to me.


I feel embarrassed, but I always fantasize about getting dark revenge on my former bullies.

My brain is a mess.


I also think I might have PTSD, not typical PTSD. I experienced psychological dramatic event, because of what I explained above.


It's just I am afraid that I have similar traits related to Sandy Hook.


A lot of people say that committing crimes is not normal Autistic behavior, but I was wandering about PDD-NOS.


I read on Wikipedia and it said that people with PDD-NOS tend to have more intact social skills.


The reason why I wandered that is because a lot of people think that committing crimes is a social skill.


I think it is possible to have Conduct Disorders, Antisocial Personality Disorder, Narcissistic Personality Disorder and have ASD at the same time, but I don't know if it was studied that much, because statistics states that most people with mental health disorders, especially developmental disorders are ten times more like to be victims than being perpetrators compare to the general population.


But I was wandering if there are exceptions that at least that there are some small subgroups of people with mental health and developmental disorders committing crimes, as if they are higher-functionig. For example; A lot of factors that goes a long with ASD that may influence aggression, but does not cause aggression.


I also heard that it is common for people with PDD-NOS to have Antisocial Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder, but that is the only research I know.


I`ve just thought considering you told us all on WP previously, you had been arrested for downloading child porn so you have already crossed the criminal/ moral boundry between fantasy & acting upon such fantasies.

Child porn is linked to sadism since it involves torture & abuse.

So if you have further dark fantasies you need to act fast & get help before you reoffend again either doing the same thing or something else.

I live in the UK, but really dont want to be hearing about you on CNN or int news, so get help fast by speaking to people not just online, like your parents for a start.


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28 Mar 2021, 2:17 pm

I don't have a criminal record. I wasn't even arrested.

I don't know what was going on inside my head, I thought I downloaded child pornography, but then I heard one police officer explaining to my parents that I did not do anything wrong and nor there was conclusive evidence that I had the right motivation to harm children ( although I am sexually attracted to children).

I feel confused, because I looked at porn that looked like child pornography, but then the police thought did nothing wrong.

What is wrong with me?

I don't understand who I even am anymore.



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28 Mar 2021, 2:20 pm

I am more worried about having thoughts of killing my bullies.

I am also being treated for abnormal sexual attraction.



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28 Mar 2021, 2:41 pm

You're sexually attracted to children? That is actually illegal in most societies, sorry to say. Aren't you attracted to women (or guys) that are adults?
I know you seem confused and worried about your thoughts, so I don't want to judge you.


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28 Mar 2021, 2:44 pm

uncommondenominator wrote:
. . . I still have violent thoughts. But I don't pay them any attention, and let them float away as though they never existed. I am far less volatile now. . .
This is very good advice.

I think this is similar to the zen buddhist approach. You don’t give a thought extra power by either trying to hold onto it, nor trying to push it away. You just allow it to float around.

Maybe if you mentally or on paper made a list of three positive things you could do today, and then you any one of them. For example:

exercise

becoming to learn martial arts on youtube, with the emphasis, only in cases of clear and obvious self-defense, and then taking the high road, of not more than necessarily.

maybe unrelated reading which adds to your academic skills

And if you’re having to see these same bullies again in a school setting, that is a very difficult situation to be in.

So, just one positive activity, next good opportunity.



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28 Mar 2021, 2:53 pm

Thank you! I understood.

But having sexual fantasies, specifically about children is not a crime, unless you act on them.



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28 Mar 2021, 2:58 pm

FranzOren wrote:
. . . I thought I downloaded child pornography, but then I heard one police officer explaining to my parents that I did not do anything wrong and nor there was conclusive evidence that I had the right motivation to harm children ( although I am sexually attracted to children).

I feel confused, because I looked at porn that looked like child pornography, but then the police thought did nothing wrong. . .

If it’s an older teen you’re attracted to, it’s still harmful but not particularly abnormal. If it’s a younger teen or younger, it is abnormal as well as harmful.

I still recommend the zen approach.

Either mentally or on paper make a list of some of the harms that might result if you were to do this. And then, in a surprise twist, pick a couple of the lesser harms, and use that to coach yourself.

Please don’t be like the old-fashioned Baptist preacher going on and on about the dangers of card playing or alcohol. That’s the high energy approach. And it tends not to work all that well.

Instead, consciously pick a more medium approach. Again, pick something which you know is not even the worse harm, but is more than enough reason not to do it.

Use that to coach yourself with, in a way respectful to yourself.

And I think it’s normal for self-talk and self-coaching to change and adopt over time.



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28 Mar 2021, 3:01 pm

Thank you! I understood.

I was just confused because according to law enforcement, I did not do anything wrong and there were no conclusive evidence that I had the right motivation to harm children.

I meant to say that having criminal thoughts is not a crime unless you act on them.

I will talk about my problems to my psychologist and my psychiatrist.



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28 Mar 2021, 4:20 pm

I think you’ve done a pretty good job laying out some of the issues. And please feel free to use us as one more good resource at times of your choosing.



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28 Mar 2021, 4:42 pm

Hello FranzOren

Sorry to hear about your present and ongoing struggles, and i have to say, it is very brave of you to be extremely honest about what you are experiencing.

I also commend you for explaining how you feel, as this is an extremely important act which needs to be performed in order to get the right help.

If you are obsessing about committing violent criminal acts, it would be best for you to explain this to a good doctor, ideally a psychologist or psychiatrist, or both the latter.

A psychologist should be able to council you for your frame of mind, which the psychiatrist should be able to prescribe you some form of medication that will reduce the amount of distressing violent thoughts that you experience.

I can not say as to whether you need anti-psychotics, as not all people do. The nature of some people's thoughts some time is more on the Obsessive Compulsive side rather than the violent side. So perhaps meds to treat OCD may be more suitable. I am not a psychiatrist nor a psychologist, nor a medical doctor, so i can not say. Best ask the right people, as soon as you can.

With regards to your attraction to children. This is also not normal and is considered a disgraceful type of crime in almost all current societies. Please DO NOT TAKE ACTION with regards to your unhealthy attraction towards children.

As if you do and you get caught, your life will pretty much be over. Not to mention the damage that you will have done to the children.

People in society do not have any sympathy for any adult that does anything sexual to children.
Many normal people would quiet happily hurt or even kill a person who has abused a child.
Criminals also would take pride in killing child molesters.

Please keep that in mind, and please get to a psychiatrist for your own good and the good of any of your potential victims.

With regards to your bullies. Please do not think i am taking their side. I am not.
I do not know your bullies and am also strongly an anti-bully.

I think that most of the time violence is not the answer to solve your problems.
You could do with finding another outlet to keep your mind busy.

perhaps a hobby like craft, music, or art, may be a way to keep your mind busy.
So you can spend your time enjoying yourself and learning to forget those who have hurt you.

That is what I recommend otherwise you will spend your life obsessing over hurting people
which often can lead to really committing violent crimes, which you will possibly get caught doing,
and either land yourself in prison or perhaps even taking your own life. Which ever, not a good solution.

Imagine how much happier you would be if you were to paint pictures, take photos (not of children), or play the piano / guitar / DJ.

Perhaps join a social group where you have a shared interest.
And rebuild your life.

Hope you feel better soon.



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28 Mar 2021, 5:24 pm

Thank you! That is a very good advice.

I am feeling much better, but those thoughts I have and this attraction I have is causing me distress.



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28 Mar 2021, 6:11 pm

There are two things I would like you to seriously consider:

1- It is clear that you are experiencing emotional trauma. You do need to seek professional medical help in dealing with what you are going through. If you do not feel like you can trust your school psychiatrist, you can find other public mental health organizations in your community. Please seek out the professional help you need. I am saying this for the sake of your own well being, as I don't believe it is likely that you will actually harm others.

2- While certainly a concern, I don't think what you are experiencing is as alarming as you might be led to believe. Revenge fantasies are more common than people realize, and everyone struggles with anger from time to time. And its quite natural for people to feel this way if they've experienced bullying and abuse.

I have at times entertained the thought that everyone who has ever abused me has gotten away with it without suffering any negative consequences, and that signals to others that they can continue to get away with abusing me in the future. I have entertained fantasies of revenge against individuals who've hurt me, some of which could be described as sadistic. I've also at time felt angry at the entirety of humanity and had fantasies of revenge against the whole world. These fantasies are usually absurd and involve supervillain-like schemes. And there have even been times when I've felt that if I could realistically find the opportunity and means to exact violent revenge on certain individuals and a guarantee that I wouldn't face any legal or social consequences, that I couldn't be certain I would not do it. And I have disclosed all of that to therapists and case managers without any of them becoming alarmed that there is any threat that I could actually become violent.

It is easy for me to go to very dark places in my mind when I'm alone and dwell on things. I've found that by finding work in a space I am comfortable and being around students and co-workers my darker thoughts go away. I know its not easy for people like us, but if you can find a space where you feel safe and friends you are comfortable around it will help a lot.

What I'm trying to say is that its highly unlikely that you will become a violent criminal just because you have disturbing thoughts. But also that you need to seek out help in dealing with what you're going through.

The reality is that people with developmental disorders are at a significantly higher risk of suicide than being violent toward others.

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Please don't do it, otherwise you would be added to the growing list of autistic killers that is already destroying autism's reputation.


I'm curious to see this "growing list of autistic killers". Instances of individuals with ASD committing violent crimes are exceedingly rare, and I'm willing to bet that almost all involve a comorbid diagnosis of psychopathy. Autistic people are exceedingly more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators.



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28 Mar 2021, 6:15 pm

Also keep in mind that, unless specified otherwise, none of us are psychiatric professionals. It is very important that you do speak to a professional.



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28 Mar 2021, 6:18 pm

Thank you! I understood.

I also explained the same thing on my topic.

The link to the topic that I explained about mental health disorders, especially developmental disorders in the same way, but it is university level.

My link:

viewtopic.php?t=395603



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28 Mar 2021, 6:52 pm

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I'm curious to see this "growing list of autistic killers". Instances of individuals with ASD committing violent crimes are exceedingly rare, and I'm willing to bet that almost all involve a comorbid diagnosis of psychopathy. Autistic people are exceedingly more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators.


It was half-sarcasm what I said.

Well there's enough autistic serial killers to give autism a bad name. It only takes a small handful of people from a certain group to cause such stigma against that whole group of people. And with having the misleading "lack of empathy" tied with autism also stretches the stigma further.


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