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14 Feb 2022, 3:25 pm

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When they say problem solving, I assume they mean with math right. Problem solving is a human trait and men are more prone to this than women. `


Well if they do mean math then I'm no problem solver. :)

But if they mean creative improvisation then I am a good problem solver.


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14 Feb 2022, 4:30 pm

Situations where I have to keep lots of information in my head simultaneously can be difficult, like in some sudokus or games like chess.
Technical problems are easier, one can usually out rule parts of the mechanism/program by bypassing it/turning it off/replacing it with something that is known to work.

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15 Feb 2022, 8:08 am

I am better at improvising than I am at planning and execution


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15 Feb 2022, 10:37 am

I always thought the problem solver -thing meant that one is the type to think of and suggest solutions first and foremost instead of simply lending an ear when someone's complaining about something. As in, putting simple logic first by nature without automatically stopping to consider the feelings of the other person complaining first, which is something someone not having a problem solving nature would think first.



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15 Feb 2022, 11:51 am

Fireblossom wrote:
I always thought the problem solver -thing meant that one is the type to think of and suggest solutions first and foremost instead of simply lending an ear when someone's complaining about something. As in, putting simple logic first by nature without automatically stopping to consider the feelings of the other person complaining first, which is something someone not having a problem solving nature would think first.


Then I'm not a problem solver. I'm no good at giving advice or thinking of solutions, instead I rather just be there for someone.


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15 Feb 2022, 12:24 pm

Joe90 wrote:

Define "problem solving" by using a simple example.


It is difficult to do this without some sort of context, because there are so many different types of problem solving.

But in terms of relevance to Autism I would use the following 3 categories:

Work related problem solving. It seems to be the case that some of the most famous and successful Autistic people are known for excelling in tech, computing, sciences, or innovation due to the problems they solved through their work or through the products they launched. For example, Elon Musk solved the electronic payment problem by inventing Paypal. In a more everyday context it could be solving problems presented to you by a customer - eg they are not happy with a product you sold them, or it does not work properly. It could be a mechanic fixing a car etc. Famously, Autistic people can excel in these areas as we know.

Then there are practical problems - things like organising a home and shopping etc, dealing with practical problems that keep on cropping up around the home, or things like buying a new item like a washing machine or cooker etc, what size will you need, when can they deliver, can you install it yourself etc. Things like getting a new job if you are out of work. Is this the type of stuff that is known as "executive functioning"? This type of problem can be difficult for some.

Then there are personal problems, those affecting mental well-being and / or relationships with others. I suspect that this type of problem may often be the most difficult for those with A.S. to solve.



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15 Feb 2022, 2:05 pm

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It is difficult to do this without some sort of context, because there are so many different types of problem solving.


You have a point there.
Usually symptoms of autism (and other conditions) aren't elaborated properly, which is how stereotypes and stigma are born. A bit like the lack of empathy thing. In order for NTs and even autistics to understand autism, things should be more clearly written in the criteria to not cause any misleading confusion.


I'm not good with problem solving when it comes to computers and machines and other technical things. I also find making puzzles difficult unless I'm doing it with someone else. I'm good at problem solving in my relationship with my NT boyfriend though. It seems a lot of NTs these days break up and don't stay together long, but I try to reach compromises with my boyfriend and it succeeds every time.


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15 Feb 2022, 2:13 pm

I'm pretty bad at problem solving when it comes to mechanical and emotional things.

As for "intellectual" things, I'm a little better.

Many Aspie/Autistics happen to be very good at problem solving in the mechanical sense.



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15 Feb 2022, 4:46 pm

There's the issue of some of us not knowing we can problem solve,or in what way. As a teen I was in crisis (as usual) and feeling worthless and my then-boyfriend said ---- not true, put together my bike (all the gears were off, and there were a lot). I protested - I had never done such a thing, it's one thing to put something together after taking it apart, but to put something together that I'd only every glanced at is another, plus I wasn't mechanical (after all I'm a "girl" :x ). He left and within whatever small period of time, I had put it together. Much to my surprise. Not his. I bet there are a lot of people who simply haven't had someone believe in them and/or been challenged. I have had successes like that, but I also have daily "failures". The general issue continues to plague me as an adult. I still don't have the confidence to ask for a challenge (or executive function to overcome obstacles) and so many of my skills are untapped. I hope to more fully blossom one day.



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15 Feb 2022, 8:27 pm

It is funny in the Myers Brigs Type Indicator (MBTI) there are 4 personality “preference” categories each with two possible (opposite) values each represented as a letter. 2 to the 4th power is 16. My type usually comes out to INTP some and all the other ?NT? Personality types are NTs. But on Wronplanet NT usually means Nurotypical - so I am not a NT. So I am an NT who is not an NT. In the MBTI NT stands for iNtuitive Thinker - intuitive got “N” instead of “I” because “I” was taken up by Introverted. The opposite of N is S which stands for Sensate. The N/S personality preference has to do with taking in information - S tends to like lists and doing things in order - learning things in order - the N tends to take in information scattershot - whole roomfuls at a time. The opposite of T is F. T/F is for the Thinkers v. Feelers - this one usually takes less explaining than N/S. There are a lot of NTs in IT (Information Technology) - That is the MBTI version of NT.

The MBTI is sometimes controversial but is also well documented and well correlated.


This is interesting:

http://oddlydevelopedtypes.com/content/ ... syndrome-0

Is it relevant - N types tend not to be problem solvers because the S types are all busy doing the “well known” day to day stuff and the Ns are better at the unexpected or atypical stuff.
If it was well known and expected it would be “on the list” and S types are all about those lists. Since it is a problem it probably isn’t on the list.


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16 Feb 2022, 8:06 am

Perhaps MBTI is indicative as to how a person solves a problem, not if they do? For example, I find "ESTPs are logical problem solvers and fast thinkers. This outgoing, energetic personality type loves using common sense to find smarter ways of doing things, and they are the definition of inventive and resourceful". I am an ENFP which supposedly morphs into any other type more readily. Depending on the day I can test as I, S, and J, but rarely T. I am the "F" in IT, which needs more of those.



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16 Feb 2022, 12:35 pm

Above I said “N types tend not to be problem solvers” i intended to say “S types tend not to be problem solvers”.

Someone has already challenged my point of view here - but I at least wanted to get my original idea down as I saw it.

That being said…

It is also true that individuals and environments can change this.

I took a class on the history of science - it talked about “paradigm scientists” and “non-paradigm scientists” the paradigm scientists work within the existing model and make a los of progress solving a lot of “ordinary” or “by the book” type problems - there are a lot of them and they get a lot done - then there are the “non-paradigm scientists”. They come up with new and novel solutions to problems that the paradigm scientists cannot handle - the things the model doesn’t work for. These are the few who can come up with new models.

So which ones are the “problem solvers”? It depends.


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16 Feb 2022, 1:42 pm

I think this thread is also related to this topic:

wrongplanet.net - Forums - What's The Differences Between NT Brains And Non-NT Brains


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16 Feb 2022, 2:54 pm

My MBTI type is ISTP. I first took the test at a law partners' retreat about 20 years ago as part of a larger self-evaluation exercise. I read my report and was astounded at how directly on point the assessment was of my personality, in particular as to how it informed my personal style of practicing law.

I took the test twice since then, the last time about four years ago, and have always scored ISTP.

Since then I received my ASD diagnosis, and now I wonder if I have an ISTP personality because of my autism.



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18 Feb 2022, 3:24 pm

Shadweller wrote:
For example, Elon Musk solved the electronic payment problem by inventing Paypal.


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Elon Musk – The PayPal reality

When it comes to PayPal, Elon Musk is often described as the cofounder of the platform hailed as the pioneer of the digital payments industry. PayPal is one of the biggest reasons why Musk carries a wonder boy PR.

Let us tell you one small fun fact- PayPal is the successor of a company originally named Confinity that came into being in 1998. Interestingly, Confinity wasn’t founded by Elon Musk, rather it was a brainchild of Max Levchin, Peter Thiel, and Luke Nosek.

The first digital payments version of Confinity was launched in 1999. By that time, a remarkably similar platform called x.com had come into being. X.com was founded by Musk, Harris Fricker, Christopher Payne and Ed Ho. Musk served as the x.com CEO.

In 2000, the two digital payments firms got merged with each other. However, combining the two firms did not turn out out be very successful. Elon Musk took over as the CEO in April 2000 and was fired in October 2000.

Later, Peter Thiel took over as the CEO of the merged company and the company got rechristened as PayPal in the year June 2001. PayPal launched its first IPO in February 2002 and later eBay purchased it for $1.5 billion. Elon Musk, who still held a stake in PayPal, made a windfall gain of $180 million from the sake and suddenly became super-rich. Later, he would invest this money into other ventures like SpaceX, Tesla and SolarCity.

So, Elon Musk was not a founder of Confinity which would go on to become PayPal. When Confinity was rechristened as PayPal, he wasn’t a CEO of the entity formed by merger of Confinity and x.com. Nor was Elon Musk the CEO of PayPal when it released its first IPO or when it subsequently signed a sale agreement with eBay.

Yet, Elon Musk has become known as the founder of PayPal and the pioneer of the digital payments industry.


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18 Feb 2022, 3:47 pm

Elon is the richest man in the world - except when Jeff Bazos passes him - they are kind of neck and neck sometimes it is one sometimes the other.

So he must have solved something - even if it is just how to lead geeks and make money.

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