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23 Oct 2022, 6:48 pm

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Have you ever been told by a professional (so called ASD expert) that you have problems with generalisation?
Why would we have difficulties with it and NT not?
Do we over-generalise or under-generalise?
Professionals are often very non-specific.
Why do even have to see how we are as problems?

It's a new one to me.

I suspect what he meant was generalising newly-learned skills - it's the only thing that popped up when I did an internet search.

https://www.autismspectrumnews.org/soci ... alization/

https://autismswim.com.au/2016/12/16/wh ... important/

I don't know why he didn't say more than just that bald statement. I think if anybody had said that to me I'd have asked them to expand on it, but I can't be sure.



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23 Oct 2022, 6:52 pm

Do you get to see this therapist again? So you can ask them WTF they meant?

It could have to do generalizing 'life lessons', or new skills. Like what the above person says. You learn X, from experience Z, but then fail see how X also applies to situations A, B, and C. That rather than having to do with you making stereotypes about types of people ( or not making enough stereotypes about people).



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24 Oct 2022, 2:30 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Do you get to see this therapist again? So you can ask them WTF they meant?

It could have to do generalizing 'life lessons', or new skills. Like what the above person says. You learn X, from experience Z, but then fail see how X also applies to situations A, B, and C. That rather than having to do with you making stereotypes about types of people ( or not making enough stereotypes about people).

What therapist?
Did someone in this thread mention a therapist?
I sure didn't.
If you are refering to what I wrote then I must tell you that the professional is not a therapist and we had a longer discussion about generalisation.



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24 Oct 2022, 2:39 am

Well...sorry.

How did you happened to be talking to an expert ...who happened to be an expert in a condition you happened to have...with out it being a mental health context?

And if you went on to talk at length about it then..why didnt you ask him what he meant?



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24 Oct 2022, 5:04 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Well...sorry.

How did you happened to be talking to an expert ...who happened to be an expert in a condition you happened to have...with out it being a mental health context?

And if you went on to talk at length about it then..why didnt you ask him what he meant?


Maybe it's one of these self-proclaimed internet professionals on quora or reddit. Lotsa people fall for their "credentials" even though they have no way of confirming them.



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24 Oct 2022, 8:25 am

Gammeldans wrote:
the professional is not a therapist and we had a longer discussion about generalisation.

Did you have that longer discussion about it at the time, or later?
And if the professional isn't a therapist, what is he?



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30 Oct 2022, 5:02 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
Gammeldans wrote:
the professional is not a therapist and we had a longer discussion about generalisation.

Did you have that longer discussion about it at the time, or later?
And if the professional isn't a therapist, what is he?

We have discussions about such things.
Why do you think it should be a therapist?
He works with people who have ASD, helping them do stuff. I think you could say that he has pedagogy rather than therapy as a focus.



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30 Oct 2022, 5:07 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Well...sorry.

How did you happened to be talking to an expert ...who happened to be an expert in a condition you happened to have...with out it being a mental health context?

And if you went on to talk at length about it then..why didnt you ask him what he meant?

I talk to him but you are missunderstanding me.
I am asking if someome else here have been told the same thing.



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30 Oct 2022, 12:06 pm

Gammeldans wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
Gammeldans wrote:
the professional is not a therapist and we had a longer discussion about generalisation.

Did you have that longer discussion about it at the time, or later?
And if the professional isn't a therapist, what is he?

We have discussions about such things.
Why do you think it should be a therapist?
He works with people who have ASD, helping them do stuff. I think you could say that he has pedagogy rather than therapy as a focus.

I don't think it should be a therapist. I just thought that if you explained what his role is, it might be easier to figure out why he said what he did, what he meant, and what, if anything, to do about it. Anyway, it looks like you might find it helpful to ask him what he meant. I think, by "generalisation" he probably meant the skill-transfer thing I suggested before, but if I were you I'd ask him.



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31 Oct 2022, 5:56 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
Gammeldans wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
Gammeldans wrote:
the professional is not a therapist and we had a longer discussion about generalisation.

Did you have that longer discussion about it at the time, or later?
And if the professional isn't a therapist, what is he?

We have discussions about such things.
Why do you think it should be a therapist?
He works with people who have ASD, helping them do stuff. I think you could say that he has pedagogy rather than therapy as a focus.

I don't think it should be a therapist. I just thought that if you explained what his role is, it might be easier to figure out why he said what he did, what he meant, and what, if anything, to do about it. Anyway, it looks like you might find it helpful to ask him what he meant. I think, by "generalisation" he probably meant the skill-transfer thing I suggested before, but if I were you I'd ask him.

Skills transfer it is.
I think the big question is:
Is generalisation even a good term? Isn't skills transfer a better term?
I think skills transfer sounds better.



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31 Oct 2022, 11:15 am

Gammeldans wrote:
Skills transfer it is.
I think the big question is:
Is generalisation even a good term? Isn't skills transfer a better term?
I think skills transfer sounds better.

I'm inclined to agree. The meaning of the term "Skills transfer" is more self-evident. I get annoyed with terms that aren't self-evident, because it costs me time to look them up, and because they help to keep the world a less equal place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jargon



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01 Nov 2022, 5:21 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
Gammeldans wrote:
Skills transfer it is.
I think the big question is:
Is generalisation even a good term? Isn't skills transfer a better term?
I think skills transfer sounds better.

I'm inclined to agree. The meaning of the term "Skills transfer" is more self-evident. I get annoyed with terms that aren't self-evident, because it costs me time to look them up, and because they help to keep the world a less equal place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jargon

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalization
Skills transfer and generalization are not synonyms, I think.



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01 Nov 2022, 7:20 pm

Gammeldans wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
Gammeldans wrote:
Skills transfer it is.
I think the big question is:
Is generalisation even a good term? Isn't skills transfer a better term?
I think skills transfer sounds better.

I'm inclined to agree. The meaning of the term "Skills transfer" is more self-evident. I get annoyed with terms that aren't self-evident, because it costs me time to look them up, and because they help to keep the world a less equal place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jargon

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalization
Skills transfer and generalization are not synonyms, I think.

Indeed. It reminds me of the way autism "experts" call mind-blindness "lack of empathy."