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22 Aug 2007, 6:21 pm

Donna Williams referring to the Spectrum as a "Condition" rather than a "Disorder", in keeping with the theme of ASCs as a minority culture:
"the largest disability of which is the inability of non-autistic culture to accommodate their differences in respectful, empowering, and constructive ways", particularly in providing "forms of education, communication, social activities/networks, occupation, and employment most appropriate to" [their] "form of information processing."



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22 Aug 2007, 7:27 pm

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I've long since given up trying to adapt to the NT social environment. The only way to survive, and thrive, is to learn to change your immediate environment to suit one's own needs. The current age of technology has just given us more tools to control our little piece of the world.

It has been said that reasonable people adapt to their environment rather than trying to force the environemnt to adapt to them.

But by that reasoning, all progress is caused by unreasonable people.

There is no need for us to conform to the NT world. The NT world wasn't designed for us - let's just not live in it.



Are you suggesting we all go to a different world/land? Ah well, I'm actually pretty comfortable where I am in life, I couldn't imagine leaving the 'nt' world. I guess I like to think that my life is a normal one.


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24 Aug 2007, 11:10 am

What I mean to say is that with all my friends, family and people who appreciate me, I am a bit too content to run off and make a utopian world. If anything that would just ruin my life, but I guess I don't speak for everyone :0

Right now it's speculated that evolution will make us lose our pinkies c:


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24 Aug 2007, 11:23 am

Am I the only one that keeps reading the title wrong and is trying to figure out what a human vegatable (Asperagus) has to do with aspies?



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24 Aug 2007, 11:34 am

and homo means one so we got only one asparagus? D:


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24 Aug 2007, 11:51 am

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and homo means one so we got only one asparagus? D:


Yes and we all have to share. :)

Will it be like the cow in Milliways that comes out and asks what part you would like for dinner?



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24 Aug 2007, 11:52 am

I dunno, but I prefer ass burgers if you ask me. If I have one of those I will kindly share the asparagus.


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24 Aug 2007, 11:54 am

Grimfaire wrote:
Am I the only one that keeps reading the title wrong and is trying to figure out what a human vegatable (Asperagus) has to do with aspies?


Nope. I read it wrong that way the first time, too. It gave me a chuckle. Doubtless some people think of us as a bunch of vegetables. :D

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and homo means one so we got only one asparagus? D:


Homo is "Man" in Latin, so Homo aparagus would translate as Asparagus Man (Faster that a speedier weed-eater! Greener than a horde of locusts! Able to leap into more haute cuisine dinners and fool more people that he's a delicacy than caviar or bouillebaise! It's—Asapargus Man! [Sorry. Couldn't resist.]) You might be thinking of "Mono," from the Greek word monos, "alone."

Very interesting article. I agree that a positive viewpoint is refreshing.

On the question of us being a next phase of evolution, though, there's one hole in that idea. It seems to me that survival of the fittest tends also means survival of those most eager and likely to reproduce. The normal aspie aversion to human contact might tend to get in the way of that. We might evolve as a parallel subspecies, but I don't see us supplanting NT humanity very fast. Pairing off and reproducing can be far too much more of seemingly everything they do than it is for many of us.


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24 Aug 2007, 12:38 pm

That was a great article, he made a lot of interesting points. Even so, the self-proclaimed sci-fi "scholar" needs to spend a bit more time in real science. Humans are done evolving. Though perhaps us Aspies will start to get a little more appreciation in the job market for our unique talents some day. I also kind of like the idea mentioned above of no longer living in the NT world- just establishing a nice haven for Aspies (a geographical location, not just the computer). Even so, for me it's not too horrible passing for almost-normal in NT society, so I'll stick with that.


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24 Aug 2007, 1:26 pm

That was really interesting. It's nice to read something positive about AS :)



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24 Aug 2007, 1:33 pm

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Even so, the self-proclaimed sci-fi "scholar" needs to spend a bit more time in real science. Humans are done evolving.

Seems like of the two of you, he's not the one who needs to spend time studying science. No biological creature that reproduces is done evolving, period. We all change, although you could argue that with modern technology and social trends, precisely the method of evolution has become somewhat perverted in us. We keep alive those with a genetic predisposition to cancer, for instance, normally they'd get out of the gene pool by dying, but still humanity will evolve into a different form eventually, assuming we don't wipe ourselves out.


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24 Aug 2007, 1:35 pm

Orwell wrote:
Humans are done evolving.


You obviously have not seen the finns that are starting to develop on my back and I can stay under water for over two hours!.



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24 Aug 2007, 1:47 pm

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MarieElana, are you sure you have Asperger's? It doesn't seem like that to me, if you think socializing is such a great thing and we're all disadvantaged. Maybe you're a double agent. Personally, I totally agree with the article.


you can't dx off the internet... let alone based off that statement. not all aspies need/want solitude 24/7


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24 Aug 2007, 1:53 pm

Sedaka wrote:
you can't dx off the internet... let alone based off that statement. not all aspies need/want solitude 24/7


Quoted for epic truth! I just think that good people skills is something that needs practice, that's all c:


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24 Aug 2007, 1:54 pm

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Why would it be part of human evolution? I don't get it x: humans are social creatures, that's how they survive naturally in groups, yes? So being antisocial would defeat that. Then again I think humans stopped evolving because instead of changing to adapt to the world we are changing the world to adapt to us. We are far from a natural being x:


The choices we make to change the world are not wholly determined by us because we cannot predict the outcome of a infinite series of events; I would say humanity is making blind choices and living the consequences and these consequences ultimately have a shaping force on our being and allow us to evolve. Our evolution is in the mind.


why do people always feel the need to conenct movite or direction in evolution? for adaptation... yes... but who's to say whether autism/AS is an adaptation? mutations arise and change things as much as is allowed... that there are people on the spectrum functioning at higher levels and breeding, is enough to keep the genes in the population w/o a specific adaptation correlated to the traits. correlation does not equal causation.


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24 Aug 2007, 1:59 pm

Speaking of keeping genes in the population we're kinda removing natural selection, aren't we? I mean, we're making all these safety rules and laws and trying to get rid of violence in the media to protect the dumb D:> Well, at least because of that we got the Darwin awards :3


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