Anyone with an IQ over 130 is automatically neurodivergent ?

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Yesterday, 2:47 pm

I can see the argument that being exceptionally high or low in IQ might alter one's experience and perception of the world to the point that they'd inherently be considered neurologically different from average.


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Yesterday, 2:59 pm

I dropped out of high school so I never had a traditional academic interest. Before I dropped out I took what I was told was an IQ test. It was multiple choice. I decided to answer the questions randomly. I was told that I had an IQ of 12. I don't think that they told everyone their result. I imagine they were curious as to why I scored so low. I suspect it was not even a valid IQ test. However, I was not concerned about a test that I did not want to take for the benefit of others so I tried using it for my own experiment. I had anticipated that randomness would have resulted in a slightly higher score, however, I also once lost 35 straight rolls of the dice playing Risk.

My IQ has been tested as an adult at 145, 155, and 173. However, I am suspicious of the accuracy of attempting to resolve a fractional percentage of such a diverse composite measurement.

I see this as a heritable characteristic similar to and perhaps overlapping with Aspergers (especially when considering how the four boys Hans Asperger evaluated turned out). However, I see character qualities of honesty, reliability, and kindness to be much more important.

In my experience whether a result of a neurology that is faster, more sensitive, or more complex, having to sort through what might be considered an avalanche of sensory and cognitive input can provide significant developmental and functioning challenges. While different than physical challenges of being too short or too tall, there can be similar difficulties in that being different is not always accepted.



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Yesterday, 3:21 pm

timf wrote:
I see this as a heritable characteristic similar to and perhaps overlapping with Aspergers...

Interesting word choice. I've often said that Asperger's is a mixed percentage of genetics and environment, with the environment being influenced by parenting and adding up to 100% genetic influence as a result.


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Yesterday, 3:23 pm

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I joined Mensa over 40 years ago and observed that most of us seemed to have chosen to avoid social immersion in high school and were only then (in our 20s and 30s) beginning to experiment with social encounters.

I turned down Mensa membership almost 50 years ago when I was 16. I thought it lacked diversity, or as I put it as a 16 year old, "It's a lousy place to meet girls."


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Yesterday, 4:05 pm

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I lived in Houston then and pretty much kept to the local involvement. I have fond memories and learned to expand my social skills somewhat. I rejoined Mensa a few years ago and found it significantly changed. I now live in a state where a Mensa meeting in the largest city in the state produces about seven people. The people you can interact with online seem to have hostile political orientation that kills conversation. I suppose this is simply a reflection of the changes in society in general.

I do not use Facebook so I am not able to navigate Mensa or Intertel as this seems to be the preferred method of social interaction these days.
I've lived in just one area since 1981 so I only have experience with one Mensa local group. What I've heard, however, is that there is often quite a difference from one local group to another.

And I'll have to take your word on it about the online groups. WP is the only online group I participate in. I do not participate in any online Mensa group, and I've never joined Facebook, Twitter, etc....and yes that does limit my exposure to what is going on. I can believe, however, that the online groups will attract people who want to make noise (WP's moderators do an excellent job of keeping things moderate here!).

P.S. As I mentioned, my ADHD bride is also in Mensa. She is often my interface for anything outside of our home. (I am strongly INTJ so I rather like her being my primary interface with the "outside".)




Regarding this thread's topic, I found this online: "Exploring High Intelligence as Neurodivergence"

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...some strong arguments exist against classifying high intelligence as a form of neurodivergence. Unlike traditional neurodivergent conditions, high intelligence typically confers advantages in academic and professional settings. The challenges associated with high intelligence rarely impair fundamental life functions in the way that other forms of neurodivergence might. This distinction raises questions about whether the similarities in experience are sufficient to justify inclusion in the neurodivergent category.

Furthermore, society’s positive valuation of high intelligence results in a fundamentally different lived experience from that of individuals with other forms of neurodivergence. While gifted individuals may face certain social challenges, they generally do not encounter the same level of stigma or institutional barriers that routinely affect other neurodivergent populations. This difference in social experience and access to opportunities represents a significant point of divergence from traditional neurodivergent conditions.


:roll: I'm not sure what to make of that...


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Yesterday, 4:16 pm

old_comedywriter wrote:
timf wrote:
I joined Mensa over 40 years ago and observed that most of us seemed to have chosen to avoid social immersion in high school and were only then (in our 20s and 30s) beginning to experiment with social encounters.

I turned down Mensa membership almost 50 years ago when I was 16. I thought it lacked diversity, or as I put it as a 16 year old, "It's a lousy place to meet girls."
I met my bride at a Mensa party.

Yes...it took more than 10 years...and I blew it and only happenstance undid my mistake.


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Yesterday, 5:25 pm

In the words of someone who was estimated to be exceptionally intelligent,using the PAIQ( Primary Assessment of Intelligence and Quantitative skills).

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I have been accepted most of all by 2 very different groups of people . Firstly other members of a forum for those with schizophrenia and other psychotic illnesses. I've been a member there since c1998. Secondly the FB high IQ community,that I started getting involved with in March 2020. Prior to that I'd amassed 56 or so 'friends' since May 2009. Now I have approximately x6.38 more 'friends'. The vast majority being those from the high IQ community who have sent me friendship requests.

I was expecting to be told,sooner rather than later, that I wasn't good enough to be be part of that community. In fact the opposite is true. Due to 'bullying related trauma' I struggle when it comes to self confidence and self worth. I struggle with feeling that I'm too inferior to be part of the community. I stack up reasonably well however against a group of people much better educated and on average much younger than I am.

Unfortunately I have moderately severe EF deficits, especially re organising and planning . Something that's been true from as far back as I can remember. It's only now having mentioned my symptoms to intellectual high fliers, some of whom have ADHD, that it's been suggested that I may well have ADHD -inattentive type. Far too late,if true, to make much of a difference. It does explain a lot though.