AS generalizations that you've heard people talk about

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13 Sep 2007, 7:01 pm

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*all autistics are mentally ret*d,it's impossible to be autistic and not mentally ret*d [said by someone who really should know better as a care worker for autistics for years]


That was just someone too stupid to realize that most autistics that don't appear to be ret*d don't need that help!

Autistic DOES mean into oneself, so there is the appearance of being selfish, etc... Then again, I was even accused of interrupting when the OTHER person interrupted

agreed,she has actually had council run ASD training before,which makes it even worse,the speech thrapist often defended am to her because she was saying am wasn't autistic due to being able to use a computer and he [an autism specialist] was saying it was autism,there were LFAers there whom she called useless and ret*d [one of them definitely wasn't,if they didn't treat her like a ret*d over the years and left neglected she would probably have her own art in galleries],she also called aspergers 'asperg disease',she couldn't even get hans' surname right,she didn't even know who leo kanner was.
another good generalisation of hers was 'people with autism do not have extreme hearing',she never knew that autistics could have
extreme sensory problems,until she met am,she accused am of being a fake for months until forcing am to go to a hearing test,and she saw the results.


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Yeah, these are the sentiments I've heard before.

Since I'm sure I'm probably considered an NT here or much closer to an NT than any of you all Wink , I find all this pretty sad.

I've never thought that about folks I've met that behave differently than me. Maybe it's because of my ADD/HD and all the social stuff I'm weird about.

great trait to have.



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13 Sep 2007, 7:04 pm

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I once heard a woman in the resource room at my school in grade 9 or 10 saying that kids with Asperger's Syndrome are selfish/self centered. :x


Not technically a bad thing. I get called selfish all the time. Sometimes it's good to be a little selfish or self-centered. Though I prefer the term "self-observant".


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13 Sep 2007, 7:55 pm

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I once heard a woman in the resource room at my school in grade 9 or 10 saying that kids with Asperger's Syndrome are selfish/self centered. :x


Not technically a bad thing. I get called selfish all the time. Sometimes it's good to be a little selfish or self-centered. Though I prefer the term "self-observant".


I'VE been called selfish and self centered even though I have been generous and very helpful. GO FIGURE! I WISH I was more selfish and self centered. Maybe I would spend more of my money making ME rich, instead of others.



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13 Sep 2007, 8:00 pm

Self-centered: Used to be true, but not anymore. I do, however, tend to focus so intensely on things that I could be perceived that way.

No intellectual impairment, although I tend to be a bit absent-minded at times, possibly due to my hyperfocus in some areas of my life, such as work and reading a wide variety of books. I am embarrassingly dumb in some ways.

I am neat, but not OCD.

AS person as a geek-partly true. I like unusual things (both type and intensity).



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13 Sep 2007, 8:10 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
LadyMacbeth wrote:
Ana54 wrote:
I once heard a woman in the resource room at my school in grade 9 or 10 saying that kids with Asperger's Syndrome are selfish/self centered. :x


Not technically a bad thing. I get called selfish all the time. Sometimes it's good to be a little selfish or self-centered. Though I prefer the term "self-observant".


I'VE been called selfish and self centered even though I have been generous and very helpful. GO FIGURE! I WISH I was more selfish and self centered. Maybe I would spend more of my money making ME rich, instead of others.


I'm generous and helpful too, does not mean I'm not self-centered aswell :lol:


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16 Sep 2007, 9:33 pm

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I've never heard anyone speak about AS besides me, outside of the internet. The first time I heard about it was on the TV show House, when it was suggested that Dr. House had Aspergers. The show left me with a false impression that Aspies were all confrontational, rude, and indifferent to being accepted by others, even though they finally decide that House isn't one. I remember telling my dad after that episode that I thought I had something similar to Aspergers, but that I couldn't actually have AS because I felt emotionally upset when I fought with people.


I didn't know House had a show where they discussed him possibly being AS. I would love to see that episode, because I've always wondered if his character was AS. What happened in that episode for it to lend a discussion about House possibly being AS and why did they determine that he wasn't AS?

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I remember telling my dad after that episode that I thought I had something similar to Aspergers, but that I couldn't actually have AS because I felt emotionally upset when I fought with people.


I'm new to learning about AS... are you saying you can't be AS if you have expressed emotions? What about empathy? Are all AS people supposed to be cold and non caring? Would it be reasonable to say that someone with AS can show a lot of concern for other people when they want to but not show it at other times because they just don't feel enough emotions? Like apathetic?



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17 Sep 2007, 12:16 pm

Empathy is something NT's take for granted. It is unconscionable or IIMPOSSIBLE for them to not feel something. We are wired around such frivolity, just not with the same consistency, think alpha or beta software releases.

I'm of the ilk that "tries to hard to please others"-almost like an obsessive trait. Possibly in a addictive/destructive way since I over commit to be out with friends.



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17 Sep 2007, 1:14 pm

ChatBrat wrote:
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I've never heard anyone speak about AS besides me, outside of the internet. The first time I heard about it was on the TV show House, when it was suggested that Dr. House had Aspergers. The show left me with a false impression that Aspies were all confrontational, rude, and indifferent to being accepted by others, even though they finally decide that House isn't one. I remember telling my dad after that episode that I thought I had something similar to Aspergers, but that I couldn't actually have AS because I felt emotionally upset when I fought with people.


I didn't know House had a show where they discussed him possibly being AS. I would love to see that episode, because I've always wondered if his character was AS. What happened in that episode for it to lend a discussion about House possibly being AS and why did they determine that he wasn't AS?


That's season 3, episode 4, named "Lines in the Sand". It stars an autistic boy that is unable to talk properly and is difficult to diagnose because of that. House is shown as the only person to finally understand the boy and considers been slightly autistic, which would explain his social behavior (or lack thereof) and special skills, but it is dismissed by Wilson as House just looking for an excuse to be an outsider and miserable. Asperger's is never mentioned. That's as much as I remember of it.
I recently noticed that in the first episode of that season (Meaning) House tells Wilson not to pretend to not know about something because his body language already betrayed him. That would be a rare skill for an Aspie, but as House is Teh Genius that can even perform brain surgery and is used to all kind of lies, I wouldn't rule it out because of that.

Personally I don't see a reason why House could not be diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrom, but the show seems to prefer the explaination that House is just miserable and there is no medical condition behind it. (Just like in episode 23 of the same season The Jerk or episode 22 Resignation, the one with the anti-depressant.)

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17 Sep 2007, 1:34 pm

I've heard these alot. Generalities that people use to argue I'm not an Aspie.

"You can't have Asperger's because...

...you seem normal to me."
I seem normal? You don't know me well do you? Or do you just not pay attention? And Aspies are suppose to be the oblivious ones. Geesh.

...you're a good writer."
Many Aspies can write well. There are Aspie authors and poets.

...your so empathetic. Autistic people can't understand other's emotions."
Aspies can understand other's emotions rationally. Most of us just lack the intuition to read other's emotions or respond to them. This comment is mostly from people I know online. When someone tells me their troubles and feelings, I understand and can respond in words online, but in person, I can't read emotions well and don't know how to comfort people physically with hugs and stuff.

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17 Sep 2007, 1:44 pm

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I've heard these alot. Generalities that people use to argue I'm not an Aspie.

"You can't have Asperger's because...

...you seem normal to me."
I seem normal? You don't know me well do you? Or do you just not pay attention? And Aspies are suppose to be the oblivious ones. Geesh.

...you're a good writer."
Many Aspies can write well. There are Aspie authors and poets.

...your so empathetic. Autistic people can't understand other's emotions."
Aspies can understand other's emotions rationally. Most of us just lack the intuition to read other's emotions or respond to them. This comment is mostly from people I know online. When someone tells me their troubles and feelings, I understand and can respond in words online, but in person, I can't read emotions well and don't know how to comfort people physically with hugs and stuff.

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That's season 3, episode 4, named "Lines in the Sand". It stars an autistic boy that is unable to talk properly and is difficult to diagnose because of that. House is shown as the only person to finally understand the boy and considers been slightly autistic, which would explain his social behavior (or lack thereof) and special skills, but it is dismissed by Wilson as House just looking for an excuse to be an outsider and miserable. Asperger's is never mentioned.


Aspergers' does get mentioned in the episode. House spends much of the episode making a big fuss about Cuddy replacing the carpet in his office, which was stained with blood when he got shot in "No Reason". At the end, Wilson suggests to Cuddy that House's dislike of change and lack of social skills are caused by AS. This convinces Cuddy to give House his old carpet back. However, Wilson then confronts House and says that House doesn't actually have AS; he just wishes he did, because it would give him an excuse to opt out of social interaction.



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That's season 3, episode 4, named "Lines in the Sand". It stars an autistic boy that is unable to talk properly and is difficult to diagnose because of that. House is shown as the only person to finally understand the boy and considers been slightly autistic, which would explain his social behavior (or lack thereof) and special skills, but it is dismissed by Wilson as House just looking for an excuse to be an outsider and miserable. Asperger's is never mentioned.


Aspergers' does get mentioned in the episode. House spends much of the episode making a big fuss about Cuddy replacing the carpet in his office, which was stained with blood when he got shot in "No Reason". At the end, Wilson suggests to Cuddy that House's dislike of change and lack of social skills are caused by AS. This convinces Cuddy to give House his old carpet back. However, Wilson then confronts House and says that House doesn't actually have AS; he just wishes he did, because it would give him an excuse to opt out of social interaction.


You are right. I probably didn't notice because I didn't knew Asperger's back then. :)

http://www.housemd-guide.com/season3/304lines.php wrote:
Cuddy isn't buying it, "House doesn't have Asperger's, diagnosis is much simpler; he's a jerk."
"Why do you think he took this case? Because he believes these parents? Because he wants to help a young boy? He sees himself in this kid and he's trying to help himself. He doesn't want this, he needs it."
Later Wilson tells House, "You're not autistic; you don't even have Asperger's. You wish you did, it would exempt you from the rules, give you freedom, absolve you of responsibility, let you date 17-yr-olds. But most important it would mean that you're not just a jerk."


Although that still is not a good reason against it, but I understand that they don't want to give House a reason for his behavior. (I don't even find him rude, but I also don't understand why Keanu Reaves or Tom Cruise are bad actors. :))

But enough derailing for now.

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17 Sep 2007, 2:32 pm

Another generalization that comes from my own NT older sister:
"People like you are such brats who should be taught manners."

You ass!
How can I not act like one?! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
From your egotistical perception, you should stop your bitching over my behavior whenever I act out!
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Sometimes, I really want to kill you, like you tried to do to me!


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17 Sep 2007, 9:40 pm

Thank you, seppukuh and beyondtheinfinite! I appreciate the time you both took to explain all of that.



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18 Sep 2007, 4:22 am

I was told by a shrink that I didn't have AS because people with AS don't have feelings, cannot form emotional bonds (after talking about my dead Granny) and never have a sense of humour. It's all LIES SLANDEROUS LIES...


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