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22 Sep 2007, 9:15 pm

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Why is it my fault that I can't be social?


It's ALWAYS your fault, all people are NOT evil.


It's not my fault; it's my brain's fault. It's always my brain's fault. Remarking that all people are not evil, as if implying that I think all people are evil, is actually a very NTish thing to do. Obviously, I don't think all people are evil. Only an idiot would think that.

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If you're not fitting in the first rule is: What am I doing wong? You really sound like you need social skills classes.

You're giving off negative vibes around people, what you need to do is get someone to videocam you social interactions and then they will become clear what kind of body language you are projecting.


Yes, I want social skills classes. I also want to understand the type of vibes I'm sending when I'm around people.

Where do I find this type of help? Do I open the yellow pages and search for "social skills"?



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22 Sep 2007, 10:26 pm

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Why is it my fault that I can't be social?


It's ALWAYS your fault, all people are NOT evil. If you're not fitting in the first rule is: What am I doing wong? You really sound like you need social skills classes.

You're giving off negative vibes around people, what you need to do is get someone to videocam you social interactions and then they will become clear what kind of body language you are projecting.


He is not giving off negative vibes he's giving off Aspie vibes. Sure, there are allot of really nice Nt people out there. But the majority automatically just don't like someone different than they are.
I don't have any advice to give you just that it isn't your fault.


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22 Sep 2007, 10:27 pm

ZakFiend wrote:
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Why is it my fault that I can't be social?


It's ALWAYS your fault, all people are NOT evil. If you're not fitting in the first rule is: What am I doing wong? You really sound like you need social skills classes.

You're giving off negative vibes around people, what you need to do is get someone to videocam you social interactions and then they will become clear what kind of body language you are projecting.


You are NUTS! And do you know who you are talking to? Frankly, I HAVE taken classes. Ones in college, and elsewhere. They all seem to be taught by idiots that know less than I do! MOST are taught by nasty divorced women that HATE men, and don't understand them. And I don't base this on how they treated me. Outside of the fact that they cheated me, by wasting my time, they seemed to be ok to me. NO! I base it on the fact that they were divorced spoke such ill of their husbands, and what they said.

And I am supposed to listen to THEM?????? FORGET IT! BTW Being social has VERY little to do with what you project! In my case, I am apparently projecting OK. If I am invited somewhere, I feel uneasy and can't procede! It is NOT in "projecting"(I.e., encouraging THEIR action) It is in MY response to that action! I imagine that is the case with MOST here! And it is at least PART of the problem with all the rest!



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23 Sep 2007, 5:31 am

Just one more of the many delights of being aspie.

Nobody tells a blind person it's their fault they can't see.

Nobody tells an amputee they just need to take leg growing classes.

But if you can't detect and transmit nonverbal communication, it's your fault, and you just need to take some class, or you're not trying, or you're doing it on purpose.

Note that some aspies report that by studying nonverbal communication, books or something, they learn to function well enough. They usually say it's a strain.

Me, I don't know. I never managed to get better at whatever it is that everybody else is doing, but I guess some aspies do manage to learn.


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23 Sep 2007, 6:39 am

Mw99 - DITTO.


Assuming that you and I and other posters here are not raving, psychotic nutters, then this IS what we experience. It's not 'giving off negative vibes' and attracting this atrocious NT behavior. What we're experiencing is typical NT behavior which typically lacks the integrity of Aspie attitudes.

We need classes to teach us how to lie, deceive, manipulate...?! ! Let's call this for what it actually is.

As I look around my true, NT friends they are those who have the very highest integrity - they don't lie or cheat or manipulate or talk negatively of me behind my back. You know why? Because I cannot help but be scrupulously honest (although nowadays I've learnt from painful experience when and how to be honest). My friends appreciate that and also hold themselves to high standards. I would say that most NTs don't - they go along with whatever mode of 'truth' is in fashion at the moment as long as it benefits them and ensures their place in the sheep pen. (It's called variously 'moral relativism', 'not being black and white', 'being able to see grey areas'...anything but call it what it is...hypocrisy, lack of empathy, cruelty...)

Probably best to find yourself some high integrity friends, a community that appreciates your original thinking and straightforwardness. You are a trustworthy and very valuable human being....keep shinging your light and leave the dross behind.



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23 Sep 2007, 9:10 am

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Just one more of the many delights of being aspie.

Nobody tells a blind person it's their fault they can't see.

Nobody tells an amputee they just need to take leg growing classes.

But if you can't detect and transmit nonverbal communication, it's your fault, and you just need to take some class, or you're not trying, or you're doing it on purpose.

Note that some aspies report that by studying nonverbal communication, books or something, they learn to function well enough. They usually say it's a strain.

Me, I don't know. I never managed to get better at whatever it is that everybody else is doing, but I guess some aspies do manage to learn.


couldn't agree more. we did not deliberately choose to have no social skills, often we actually try to socialise and fail. Apart from trying, what do people expect us to do? Seriously, what more can we do? But we still get blamed for failing, as if we had designed our own brains, as if we were failing on purpose. NTs cannot understand that someone would want to socialise but be unable to - and we're the ones lacking in empathy?



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23 Sep 2007, 1:16 pm

lupin wrote:
Assuming that you and I and other posters here are not raving, psychotic nutters, then this IS what we experience. It's not 'giving off negative vibes' and attracting this atrocious NT behavior. What we're experiencing is typical NT behavior which typically lacks the integrity of Aspie attitudes.

We need classes to teach us how to lie, deceive, manipulate...?! ! Let's call this for what it actually is.

As I look around my true, NT friends they are those who have the very highest integrity - they don't lie or cheat or manipulate or talk negatively of me behind my back. You know why? Because I cannot help but be scrupulously honest (although nowadays I've learnt from painful experience when and how to be honest). My friends appreciate that and also hold themselves to high standards. I would say that most NTs don't - they go along with whatever mode of 'truth' is in fashion at the moment as long as it benefits them and ensures their place in the sheep pen. (It's called variously 'moral relativism', 'not being black and white', 'being able to see grey areas'...anything but call it what it is...hypocrisy, lack of empathy, cruelty...)

Probably best to find yourself some high integrity friends, a community that appreciates your original thinking and straightforwardness. You are a trustworthy and very valuable human being....keep shinging your light and leave the dross behind.


AWESOME! JUST PLAIN AWESOME!! !! These are my exact thoughts and fleshed out very eloquently!
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23 Sep 2007, 3:26 pm

BEST THREAD EVER ! !! !!

BRILLIANT POSTS ! !! !

I SO IDENTIFY WITH ALL THAT'S BEEN SAID ! !!

BRAVO!


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23 Sep 2007, 5:42 pm

Neurotypicals are becoming more and more irritating to me every day, so I can definitely see where Mw99 is coming from. The majority of the NT's I talk to (or TRY to talk to) are completely self-absorbed, and it comes out in their verbal and non-verbal interactions. NT teenagers, for example, are almost completely obsessed with themselves and could truly care less about others. I NEVER hear from my nephews (19 and 17), as they have their own thing. I get the feeling they simply erase me from their minds unless I'm in Illinois visiting. I also rarely ever hear from my sister, as she is very self-absorbed. I think NT's are, by nature, mostly self-absorbed, so caring about the differences of others is something they simply don't do well with.

I think I have made the decision to make at least 75-80% of my social interactions with other Aspies. I want to be able to hang out with and communicate with those of "my world", as they seem to understand me and others like me. I think this kind of partial seperation from the Neurotypical Universe is necessary for our long-term sanity. This is why I am joining an Aspie support group in my town.


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23 Sep 2007, 6:18 pm

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Neurotypicals are becoming more and more irritating to me every day, so I can definitely see where Mw99 is coming from. The majority of the NT's I talk to (or TRY to talk to) are completely self-absorbed, and it comes out in their verbal and non-verbal interactions. NT teenagers, for example, are almost completely obsessed with themselves and could truly care less about others.


But HOW can that be? AUTISTS are the ones that are supposed to be self absorbed!(sarc) :twisted: :twisted: :roll:

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I NEVER hear from my nephews (19 and 17), as they have their own thing. I get the feeling they simply erase me from their minds unless I'm in Illinois visiting. I also rarely ever hear from my sister, as she is very self-absorbed. I think NT's are, by nature, mostly self-absorbed, so caring about the differences of others is something they simply don't do well with.

I think I have made the decision to make at least 75-80% of my social interactions with other Aspies. I want to be able to hang out with and communicate with those of "my world", as they seem to understand me and others like me. I think this kind of partial seperation from the Neurotypical Universe is necessary for our long-term sanity. This is why I am joining an Aspie support group in my town.


So, are you in nebraska?



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24 Sep 2007, 2:51 am

2ukenkerl wrote:
ZakFiend wrote:
Mw99 wrote:
Why is it my fault that I can't be social?


It's ALWAYS your fault, all people are NOT evil. If you're not fitting in the first rule is: What am I doing wong? You really sound like you need social skills classes.

You're giving off negative vibes around people, what you need to do is get someone to videocam you social interactions and then they will become clear what kind of body language you are projecting.


You are NUTS! And do you know who you are talking to? Frankly, I HAVE taken classes. Ones in college, and elsewhere. They all seem to be taught by idiots that know less than I do! MOST are taught by nasty divorced women that HATE men, and don't understand them. And I don't base this on how they treated me. Outside of the fact that they cheated me, by wasting my time, they seemed to be ok to me. NO! I base it on the fact that they were divorced spoke such ill of their husbands, and what they said.

And I am supposed to listen to THEM?????? FORGET IT! BTW Being social has VERY little to do with what you project! In my case, I am apparently projecting OK. If I am invited somewhere, I feel uneasy and can't procede! It is NOT in "projecting"(I.e., encouraging THEIR action) It is in MY response to that action! I imagine that is the case with MOST here! And it is at least PART of the problem with all the rest!


That's because you're learning from the WRONG PEOPLE.

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24 Sep 2007, 8:06 am

I am finding it a hard thing to reply to this thread. I think many aspies have a genuine desire to learn social skills. the question is how. It is not a simple and straightforward thing.


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24 Sep 2007, 7:03 pm

Zak, those folks help "normal" guys meet women. They don't help autistic people act normal.



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24 Sep 2007, 7:06 pm

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Zak, those folks help "normal" guys meet women. They don't help autistic people act normal.


Dude you are not your LABEL. I smell LIMITING BELIEF, if that FAT UGLY DUDE can learn how to talk to women and overcome his fear to socialize, you can too. You just don't want to because you rather be indifferent to your own life.

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24 Sep 2007, 7:09 pm

CanyonWind wrote:

[b]Nobody tells an amputee they just need to take leg growing classes.[/b]


:lol: Hey sounds like something someone in my family would say.



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24 Sep 2007, 7:13 pm

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In the NT-ese language, I am not an Aspergian; I'm something else.

At first, they are friendly and talkative. But once they get to know me, they either: shun me, laugh at me, ridicule me or are mean to me -- some badmouth me behind my back, a few are bold and do it right in front of me.

The most cool headed ones simply ignore me.

I've reached a point in my life where I am afraid of meeting new people, because I know from experience, that the odds of them mistreating them -- and hence hurting my feelings -- are just too high to justify the effort of trying to be social. This attitude is not cynicism or pessimism; it's plain understanding of the difference between probability and possibility.


This part of your post described pretty much how my social life was in school, and how I feel about things now.

I can't relate to the part about being accused of being arrogant, and I have always believed that my social difficulties are my own fault. Other people are to blame for being mean to me because of them though.