some things that have been bothering me...

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I agree with everyone.

NT's are normal people who do not have any sort of disabilities and are normal after all. People with AS should not be treated like autistics, they should be treated like normal people. That is what I truly believe we are like.

The thing that I hope won't happen again is threads with everyone getting in an uproar over how we have mis/treated a newbie, with regular participants choosing up sides against each other, aspies lashing out at aspies over issues involving a non-aspie, playing into the hands of trolling games. I see this as something to be avoided, whether or not this incident was an intentional troll.

... as opposed to Autistics, who should most definately NOT be treated like normal people?

Whether or not Christina was trolling (given the apparent sincerity "I love you guys, Aspies are so awesome" which seem quite the opposite of what an actual troll would say), at the time of ATTACKING her, it was posed as an attack upon an "NT"-- not a troll. Thus, regardless of actual fact, the point is that we shouldn't discriminate based on the label of NT vs Autty or Autty vs the Universe or what have you. The only thing Christina was guilty of at the time was misinformation. Can we blame someone for that??

She's 13, appeared sincere, and incredibly supportive. I doubt she's had much experience with Aspergers, so how the hell could she know that the majority of us don't WANT a cure??? Answer me that. But that was the reason she said she came to the Forum. TO LEARN and to help. She was so willing.

For any nonAspies spouting negative generalizations about Aspergian people in general or various unpleasantries: are we proving them wrong by our behavior here? I don't give a damn about "Aspies sticking together" if this is how we're gonna act. Pettiness.

I, myself, have plenty of imperfections too numerous to mention, so perhaps my saying this is hypocracy in itself. But honestly after going back to her original thread and reading the comments made afterwards I was appalled and sincerely ashamed to call myself Aspergers.

Accuse me of shaking a useless finger if you like, but I am only being honest of how I felt at the time. It made me sick.

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What is a troll, and what is trolling? In Norwegian fairy tales it means some monster with 3 eyes living under a bridge eating kids…

Yes the majorety of us dont WANT a cure, but I dont get that. There IS NO CURE, because there is no desease. You cant take away the bad symptoms without wrecking the entire person and taking away all the good autistic stuff too…
And how many percent does want a cure? Cant we have a discussion about that?

I wont take back what I said, but I obviously wouldn’t post more bad stuff to PrincessChristina if she made another thread. On the contrary I think I would try and be nicer… ehe…

A troll is someone who runs around looking for a fight online. (noun)

Trolling is the action of looking for a fight. (verb)

That clear?

I told you it was not that post that offended me.

If she's 13 and having "flings", to be honest I don't really want to know her.

I don't really care if she stays or goes, to be honest. But her posts remind me alot of letsgoblues, also.

Annelise:

Why should autistic people not be treated normally?

I have just finished reading this thread and the original one, and now I'm trying to translate swirling thoughts into words. First, I agree with members who object to the way PrincessChristina was treated, and, in general, to exclusive attitudes. A label is just a hint. It has some informative value, but one should not let it obscure the person. This is not the first time when I say that I detest paying more attention to labels than to people. Everyone is different, full of surprises, and worthy of learning. Yes, it would be easier if the label NT, AS, HFA (or any other) said everything about a person, but when we assume that, not only we prove lack of wisdom, but also hurt others. World is difficult, sorry.

Second, I am glad that even those posts that I do not agree with remained civil, and allowed a very enlightened discussion to emerge. Thank you. I think that it is very good that we discuss these matters. I don't worry that such a discussion would lead to members becoming alienated to each other. Rather, lack of discussion might. I think that it is fantastic that WrongPlanet remains an open and inclusive community. In the past I actively defended this, and opposed to mistreatment of new members based on their labels. I am very glad that so many members share these values. Regarding newbies, I would like to add that I consider them to be under a special protection. In my eyes WrongPlanet is not yet another board for entertainment. For some people it is the first attempt at a meaningful social interaction, or they may be searching for identity, and that makes them vulnerable when they take courage to knock to our doors. It was so for me a year ago. That's why I would like to keep the door open, and avoid checking labels at the doorstep.

I do not think that the discussion of PrincessChristina's intentions is much relevant. At a risk of sounding controversial, I will say that I do not worry much about being an aspie becoming a trendy thing. I would certainly prefer the word "aspie" to follow the acceptance path of a "geek" rather than "spastic" (no offense to anyone intended). If some NTs declare themselves aspies I will let them be. Many of them would probably quickly discover us "too low functioning" and move along. Some would stay, maybe because they aren't so NT after all. I think that there are many non-autistics who can't find their place in the world. When they find our board, I wouldn't be very surprised that they would envy us. After all, we have found the place and the group to belong to, right? And they are still in the rain. If they like us and we like them, why not accept them in our community? What do we have to lose? Someone wants to be a "honorary aspie"? I'm honored. Again, it's the person, not the label, that makes them our friend.

A question may arise if such an accepting attitude would not lead to the term "aspie" being diluted. It is a valid concern. Note that there are people who accuse us of diluting the term "autism", suggesting that our usage of this word, at least by aspies independent in life, belittles challenges faced by those who are not able to survive on their own. This is also a valid concern. Again, labels lead us into trouble. What can I say? When I leave my little world and step into the real one, I discover how little out there is black and white. How horribly difficult and interesting.

Thanks for reading my ramblings.

Thanks for asking.
http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/t/troll.html
http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile ... ll_faq.htm
http://www.searchlores.org/trolls.htm
http://theparish.typepad.com/parish/200 ... y_org.html

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/arch ... p/t-229765
"Some species of trolls like to type in all caps or draw outrageous attention to themselves by doing crazy things with their text no normal person will do. Crazy fonts, rainbow colors, unnecessary boldface etc. should instantly alert you a troll is in the thread."

and even a website devoted to hints for those who enjoy trolling for their own entertainment:
http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html

Someone can claim to be anyone, any age, any diagnosis, and, within limits, anywhere, and we have no way of knowing whether what they have told us about themselves is true.

oops, one more:
http://www.trollhalloffame.com/types.html

I apologised for flying off the handle when I was posting in Christina's thread, last night. Christina, if you're reading this, right now, I'm very sorry if my little tantrum seemed like a personal attack. I should have thought before I started typing. My past got the better of me. People tried to force me into being a clone, during my Early Adolecent Years. I don't really need to go into the details. You probably already know what they are by the three things that I threw a fit, about in your thread, last night. Than I stumbled along this thread and read through it and I started to feel like feces. I'm very sorry.