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08 Oct 2007, 2:34 pm

I do not think it is so much that we are more likely to be abused, as that we do not know how to avert abuse and defend ourselves from it.

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08 Oct 2007, 2:37 pm

you mean like abused by adults?

The only time I can remember being "abused" at all was when I was placed in this Daycare place run by this immigrant woman that would try to physically hold my mouth open and place food in it when I was reluctant to eat at snack time. My parents said they didn't keep me there for very long.



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08 Oct 2007, 2:48 pm

Hmmmm....it sounds like we had the same day care person!! (JK)...but i did have a really bad one who punished me in all sorts of weird ways....she happened to be an immigrant...



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08 Oct 2007, 11:36 pm

I think that some aspergic traits can increase the risk of abuse. An active verbalising logic machine (description is particular to self not all aspies) that will not accept that authority = credibility (and in fact understands authority as being at least in part dependent on qualities such as 'being fair' and 'being right'), is likely to present behaviour that many adults finding challenging and untoward and best addressed through punishment. Eventually frustration and a conviction that such techniques will be effective if deployed often and hard enough, can result in abuse. Arguably at least some such abusers are merely waiting for an 'abus-ee', but equally some adults are pushed beyond their limits by exceptional behaviour that they have no means to understand, nor the knowledge and skills that would facilitate more rational responses on their part.

It is not excusable in terms of the person on the receiving end and their lack of being deserving of the abuse, but I can understand what it's like to be frustrated past reason (melt down anyone...?) so I can have some understanding of why such responses might happen in the case of caring and otherwise 'upstanding' people at the end of their tether. Examples such as the tape recording teacher above do not fit in this category (what a completely heartless and abusive b***h - and they say we are the ones who lack empathy).

Brittney, I hope it's not beyond the boundaries of personal privacy to state so, but I think your mother has issues utterly independent of your AS, in fact utterly independent of you. I hope you do not consider yourself to be, in any way, the cause of her unseemly behaviour and comments.

Mechanima, I do think you are correct in asserting a lack of defense. I put up with things teachers did because I did not understand they were abusive. For instance, I had only a vague and very uncertain notion that my mother or other adults would consider a teacher grabbing a student by the ear and swinging them around so their earring ripped their ear leaving a permanent scar, as untoward. After all she (the teacher) did it in plain view of an entire class and without any provocation on my part that I was able to identify. Even if I were right in speculating that perhaps she was not allowed to do what she did, because I did not know why she did it, I was worried about just how badly I had misbehaved and did not want to 'tell on her' since I had no idea what kind of naughtiness I had received the punishment for - maybe what I had done was that bad in which case, I did not really want my mother to know about it.



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09 Oct 2007, 12:33 pm

mechanima wrote:
I do not think it is so much that we are more likely to be abused, as that we do not know how to avert abuse and defend ourselves from it.


This sounds relevant. I am constantly being told to "stand up for myself".

I wouldn't say its because i don't know how to avert the abuse and defend myself from it (which, frankly feels some insulting) but rather a combination of not feeling a need to overtly address an AS/NT difference and the anti-social AS stresser of "being distant".

NTs often perceive us as different and pick on these differences and from this perspective we may encounter more crap than an NT, especially from a non-understanding parent or peer. We also may not participate in such abusive/bullying behaviour therefore finding ourselves being adversely bullied.


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09 Oct 2007, 9:20 pm

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Well, I didnt tell mine about my noise aversion until a few years ago. Before, I just sucked it up. She was pushing the metal step can against the kitchen cart so that it clanged every time she opened it and again when she closed it. She and my brother also have this half assed way of inching the groaning dishwasher door open or close. They don't open or close it in one motion so it is an exaggerated haunted house groan. She did it more after I told her and she made crashing noises when she wanted to wake me. Looking back, I think that the style in which she woke me up in the mornings (i.e. with anger) exacerbated my noise aversion and elevated it to aversion from simple noise hyperdetection. Anyway, she would also inconsiderate of our neighbors allow how metal storm door to slam. I told her all of this to make her more mindful and less of an obnoxious person. That had nothing to do with aspieness. Luckily I am now cured of noise aversion and I just don't give a sh**. All my life she has used noise to express her anger in the house and when I told her finally that it bothered me, she did not let up. That NYT article about aspieness came out years ago. She is still a b***h. I told her that her son's Fragile X came from her and she still pulls mind games with him and she is the one who ends up paying the price for her warping him. He's still "if you insist" about meals in the house.

I wouldn't think that disliking a hanging thread makes you so different from NTs. My mother is very vain and will not let her children touch her but especially will not let us touch her face and most importantly her perfect tidy hair. She is a narcissist. Aspies seem to blame themselves and if one of us had a touch aversion, we wouldn't tend to justify it and punish others for violating our terrain but an NT just might.

Look, I wouldn't have hurt you over your aversion even before I learned there was a name to what my father called our problem. I bet there are NT kids who have way more annoying incidents of stubbornness. It sounds to me that you hope that less ignorance about aspieness would have cured your abusive homelife. There is nothing my mother can claim to have been disrupted by due to my cloaked aspieness. And she still was a rough course.


At this blog from a mother of a son who has Autism:

http://motherofshrek.blogspot.com/

She has been posting interesting articles, about how things NTs do everyday, are given negative terms for those who are on the Autism Spectrum. It seems to go with your statement about how disliking a cotton thread would make you that much different from NTs. It doesn't, it just seems for some reason people like to use negative language towards things that a person on the Autism spectrum life. Maybe to make them feel they're better than them.


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09 Oct 2007, 10:49 pm

look, a lot of the things that posters' teachers didn't like aspies for would have been forgiven and tolerated in my working class Catholic schools. I once forgot to do a paper and wrote it right before class in first person real time biography and the Franciscan monk was fine with it. They had flexibility that was not obvious to me until I read some of the crap that has happened to some of you. As for NT parents being cruel to aspies - look at the family of Claudia Reider. I think the Reider kids are really NT and those kids were spoken to and reacted the way I did and the way my brother did minus my Dark Side brain running an alternate cold commentary on the proceedings.

So yes, aspies may be vulnerable to more bullying the way minorities based on race, money and geekiness attract more bullying but the aspie behavior is not the root of the bullying because I am telling you that not every NT would have treated you guys so badly and they didn't treat me so badly on many occasions - the fault lies with your bullies. I'm offering my truthful experiences to give contrast to the victim's interpretations of the reasons for the bullying to weed out the self blame and excuses so that we have a clearer picture of who the culprits have been.

We need to sift.



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09 Oct 2007, 11:27 pm

I think the climate that we live in determines whether bullies get to act out their stupid sadistic tendencies. I wouldn't let anyone exploit my aspieness as the reason they treat me poorly.

Look at what happens in Malaysia because the cops won't intervene:

Tortured by relative and no one to turn to

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Rosmala Mansor being assaulted by a relative at an undisclosed place. This picture was taken by a witness to the assault.
Rosmala Mansor being assaulted by a relative at an undisclosed place. This picture was taken by a witness to the assault.

SEREMBAN: After years of being beaten up and tortured with hot metal rods by a relative, a 37-year-old mother of five decided that enough was enough.

Rosmala Mansor, 37, suffered years of abuse
Rosmala Mansor, 37, suffered years of abuse
Rosmala Mansor obtained an interim protection order from a magistrate's court, but even that failed to stop her alleged abuser.

Within days of getting the protection order, she was assaulted again in public.

Rosmala, from Taman Permai, claimed that her numerous complaints to the police had fallen on deaf ears because he was a former policeman.

She said her 48-year-old alleged abuser was only arrested recently after she threatened to bring the matter to the federal police headquarters in Bukit Aman.
Rosmala said in the latest incident two days ago, her relative beat and kicked her when they bumped into each other in Bukit Chedang.

She claimed that a passing patrol car stopped but the two policemen merely watched as her relative assaulted her.

"None of them dared to intervene. I pleaded with them to arrest him, but they just stood there," she said.

"They only handcuffed him after I snapped their pictures with the camera on my handphone and threatened to bring the matter to their superiors."

That was the second time the relative was arrested in the last six months.

Despite having burn scars and swellings on her body, medical reports and witnesses willing to testify on her behalf, Rosmala claimed her relative was released the first time and was never charged.

He is now under remand but Rosmala fears for her safety as he might be released again.

"He even beat up my daughters when they tried to protect me when he assaulted me," she said.

"The only ones who seem to be paying attention are the doctors at the hospital who treat me every time I get beaten up.

"In fact, they (the doctors) are the ones who told me to get help from the media. They have seen this happening to me too many times."

Rosmala said there were times when she came close to losing the will to carry on, but hung on for the sake of her children.

Currently living in a wooden hut with her daughters, she is also finding it tough to earn a living.

Business at her eatery had suffered since the only access road was cut off by a development project.

"We try to get by with whatever little I can make. It gets even harder now with Hari Raya coming. I feel so sorry for my children. They do not deserve this kind of life."

Rosmala said she had approached leaders and elected representatives before, but none of them were interested in helping her.

She had also sought help from the Welfare Department but claimed that she was only given some rice two months ago.

Rosmala hopes officials from the Women, Family and Community Development Ministry will look into her problems and help to protect her family



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09 Oct 2007, 11:32 pm

Look what happened to these NT women chasing the NT ideal:

How To Rape 100 (Cute, Educated, Upper Middle-Class) Women And Get Away With It



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11 Oct 2007, 4:12 am

CeriseLy wrote:
Look what happened to these NT women chasing the NT ideal:

How To Rape 100 (Cute, Educated, Upper Middle-Class) Women And Get Away With It


I don't think it's appropriate to claim this was the result of NT women chasing their ideal. As much as we have the right to pursit what makes us happy, so do NTs. Blaming the victim of a rape, no matter what their aspirations were is inappropriate.


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11 Oct 2007, 1:43 pm

Hmm.. :arrow: Well in some cases from what I've read yes, there tends to be a higher number of autistic children being abused but, I'm not sure what the statistical responses indicate though.Yet, I'll go on the record as saying I had to deal with an emotiona/mental abusive father whom I've had no contact with since from the age of 19..Anyways, I'd hope that people out there learn not to abuse someone regardless of their mental nor physical capacities..



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12 Oct 2007, 6:09 am

violet_yoshi wrote:
CeriseLy wrote:
Look what happened to these NT women chasing the NT ideal:

How To Rape 100 (Cute, Educated, Upper Middle-Class) Women And Get Away With It


I don't think it's appropriate to claim this was the result of NT women chasing their ideal. As much as we have the right to pursit what makes us happy, so do NTs. Blaming the victim of a rape, no matter what their aspirations were is inappropriate.


Trues, It is not right to blame the victim of a rape. ever.



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12 Oct 2007, 6:31 am

omg, I had no idea I was conveying the message that the rape victims did something wrong. I meant to convey that mean things happen to NT doing their NT thing i.e. dating and meeting people with none of the baggage of aspieness.

Hmm, if anyone wants to bother to explain to me, I would appreciate a clue about where in my post I gave the wrong impression.