Random: length of index finger

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My ring finger (assuming this is the finger next to the little finger) is quite a bit longer than my index finger. I had not considered it before really.

Actually, no this is weird.
The ring finger on my right hand is longer than the index finger but on my left hand, they are about equal.

On my right hand the ratio is even wider. My puny index fingers are the same length, but the ring finger on my right hand is even longer...just a wee tad shorter than my middle finger.

My ring finger is slightly longer. Two other aspies who happened to be available for inspection also had longer ring fingers.

That depends on which study you're reading, some have come to opposite conclusions. This one, for example, equated longer ring fingers with superior scores on spatial and math tests. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4202199.stm

Sapphix, Based on current findings, etc... The ring link is based on TESTOSTERONE! That IS an anabolic steroid(makes things grow). MEN are supposedly better with math/physics. ALSO, testosterones effects are NOT as cut and dried as some have you believe... Side effects?

Genital growth
Deepening voice
baldness
strength
aggressive
assertive
certain hair growth

All true in my case, I'm male, EXCEPT.... I am NOT aggressive, or very assertive, and I still have a young voice. HECK, some people have testosterone resistance, and look every bit female. Outside of VERY close examination with machines like MRIs or CAT scans, you would never know they aren't really female.

BTW The ratio of fingers was used to determine orientation, and most in colleges are STRAIGHT!

As for lightning88s toes, I've at least heard of that before. That is probably just genetic.

You mean as far as general relative appearance, right? I mean yours aren't opposible, right? Of course, that could be useful at times.

That's me.

No not opposable, but it's in the same position on the foot as it is on the hand...it is thicker like the thumb....were I to take a ruler and measure from the base, it would be shorter than the taller fingers..so I figure that it is normal for the middle toes to seem taller than the big toe.

It's opposable on monkeys isn't it?

Anywhoo..I do have dexterious toes and use them alot to pick stuff up..but I don't think that makes my big toe opposable.

It's hard to measure on me-visually it seems like they go back and forth. Measuring it, it seems like they're close. Maybe my ring finger is a fraction of an inch longer.

I *think* that's closer than it is on most males? So maybe people with AS have shorter ring fingers?

That's disgusting that someone would surgicaly alter themselves like that! I think MOST people probably have longer toes than their "big toe". Look at models in magazines, or at actors-they almost always have longer toes. I think the MUTATION is having a shorter toe-which makes sense, when you look at our hands and other primates.

My one "charming" grandmother kind of made fun of that on me, she having the freakish short toes.

My ring finger and index finger are approx. the same. It's odd, I'm good at math, etc., as well as drawing (even if it is just copying what I see and not much more unless I'm having an odd day).

As far as toes go, lol, mine are all shorter than my big toe. Not due to surgery or anything like that-they have always been that way. The skin also doesn't go down as far as it should (I don't think), so they look kind of webbed, but they aren't, lol. If that makes any sense.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt44122.html

here is the link to the digit ratio poll in the womens forum....

My ring fingers are significantly longer than my ring fingers.

The estrogen/testosterone issue is pretty complicated. I learned in my neuroendocrinology class that estrogen is converted to testosterone in some parts of the body, including the brain. There are a lot of variables involved in an adult's estrogen/testosterone ratio. And there are other hormones involved in gender-specific behavior, such as progesterone, oxytocin, etc.

Every fetus begins to develop as a female. At a certain point, male fetuses experience a flood of hormones including testosterone. This masculinizes their anatomy. Females experience a milder version of the same thing, since everyone needs testosterone.

I have read that on average, males excell at math and spatial reasoning while females excell at language and expression of emotions. Testosterone is involved in motivation and decision-making, so people with high levels of it tend to be more motivated, decisive and have a clear sense of individual identity. This goes for both males and females. I don't think the connection with AS is as simple as an excess of testosterone in adulthood. If that was the case, we'd be a bunch of hairy women and bald men! But it might have to do with the balance of hormones during prenatal development.

WOW, I wasn't aware of estrogen turning into testosterone. Are you SURE? Both sexes DO have all the sex hormones, but the female and male ones are inversely proportionate.(A man probably has about as much estrogen as a woman has testosterone, etc...) ALSO, testosterone DOES break down into estrogen, which is why some bodybuilders get gynecomastia. That is called aromatization.

In other ways though, your post agrees with all I have heard. Of course, steel maiden is apparently better at math than I am, and I am better at language than a lot of females I know, so we can't over generalize. Of course, the oddities might have something to do with AS.

My pointer finger is 2 3/4 in. and my ring finger is 2 7/8 in.

and my boyfriend (who is neurologicly alot like me..) His pointer and ring finger are very close to the same length on his right hand, and his ring finger is just slightly longer on his left...he is a sorta non-athletic laid back sorta guy

Conversion of testosterone into estrogen is much rarer than the other way around, but it does happen in the developing male brain.

"It is undisputed that in the fetal environment, testosterone can have profound effects on neonatal brain development. In animal studies, when hormonal levels have been controlled experimentally, many developmental processes are affected by exposure to testosterone, and thus lead to anatomical differences between males and females (i.e., sexual dimorphism.). Most of these are mediated by estrogen, from which testosterone is converted by normal enzymatic operations involving aromatase, a catalytic enzyme found within the brain and expressed quite early in development (McEwen, Lieberburg, Chaptal, & Krey, 1977). Ironically, the role of the female hormone estrogen in this process occurs to a significant extent only in males and not females, since the estrogen secreted by the developing ovaries never reaches the brain. High levels of alpha fetoprotein in the neonatal serum bind these estrogens and prevent their access to the central nervous system. By contrast, estrogen has an effect on brain development in males, since conversion of testosterone to estrogen takes place within the developing brain itself." (Small S.L., Hoffman G.E. (1994) Neuroanatomical lateralization of language: sexual dimorphism and the ethology of neural computation. Brain and Cognition 26: 307-8 )