Apparently we Aspies are Neanderthals... (read inside)

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The reason why Neanderthals were more intelligent is because Africans were more social. Does it sound strange? Well, not really. The intermixed genome is the result of natural selection of African and Neanderthal genes. Since the social aspects clearly is the hallmark of NTs, Neanderthal must have contributed something else. This would inevitably be the intellectual talents of Aspies because the rest of the traits aren't very useful.

It also makes sense from another perspective. A population that does not share inventions would inevitably be more creative and inventive because they need to be when they don't share inventions. It is a fact that raw-material movements in Neanderthals were basically non-existent (no trade) while modern humans had trade.

If I remember correctly, autistics (not aspies) have 10-20% larger brains, and the Neanderthals had notably larger craniums.

Ouch!

All of the leading mainstream writers in Anthropology are sticking to the facts, the cave paintings down to Stonehenge all existed before any other culture, Egypt, Sumaria, Crete, Mycenia, and there is strong evidence of writting. Catal Huyuk is the only exception, the first city, 8,000 to 10,000 people, in Anatolia, from 12,000 to 8,000 years ago. When the climate changed, they moved in mass to Salisbury Plain. There were many henges before Stonehenge.

For a long time, all study was directed to proving the truth of the Bible, which made everyone of the Lost Tribes. Nothing happened before 10,000 years ago. Strange, because all DNA evidence shows domesticated crops and animals started 30,000 to 40,000 years ago. That was two ice ages ago.

There was a technological culture in Europe, and nowhere else, for 15,000 years, before the cave painting. The art was not developed in stages, it appears fully developed, it's roots can be found in caves in the Urals.
Art came with the ice, as reindeer people from northern Russia, Finland, moved into Europe, when the climate shifted. 90% of their food came from domestic reindeer herds. Europe became their pasture during the last ice age, and the one 10,000 years before.

Try Richard Rudgley, "The Lost Civilizations of the Stone Age."

Neanderthal DNA has been extracted, we are not related, not a breed.

When I hear White Supremicist, I think, Non-White Supremicist? Biblecentric?

Solid evidence shows through DNA, and Archeaology, a technological culture that started in Centeral Europe, and spread. It was no respector of skin color, it reached the Southern tip of Africa, and to the Americas, China, India, all long before the Fertile Crescent idea started. They start with crops and animals 25,000 years old. They do not develop writting, building, it appears, fully developed. A colony.

Through bones, it is impossible to determine skin color. All living humans are modern, they start 125,000 years ago, and can be followed as they covered the earth. At each step they had a cultural technology. It did have a place of origen, but spread rapidly.

Europe has lead in technological development, but lead, not an exclusive. The first use of the bow came out of North Africa, by people who painted themselves as black with big butts, 13,000 years ago. In what seems hundreds of years, it was in use in the Americas, why? It worked.

More recent, the Romans did not know of the wheelbarrow, they carried everything by hand. The Chinese had been using it for a long time, even with sails. Economic theory says Rome fell because they imported Chinese silks, labor, and paid in gold and silver, capital. Sound familiar?

"It is called civilization," said the thief to Conan, "it is very old, and wicked."

I think that is an interesting study. It is correct that Basques are of European decent. There has long bee a campaign to slight that, as if not being from Europe was some how bad.


It still needs to be expanded on.


Language was always going to be the weakest link because languages come and go, merge, diverge. However if you look at the Khoisan people their language is far more district from other languages. If you use the IPA which shows how different sound are produce in different languages. The vowels of Euskara are produced in the same way as Latin languages and the constants are very much similar to indo-Europeans. There is certainly more 'different' ways of speaking/sound-making elsewhere in the world. Tone, length, a stress, rhythm, variation of pitch, diacritics in syllables and words are typical of western languages in Euskara. In Kosian languages the consonants are non-pulmonic meaning they are made without using the lungs.


The basque rural sports rural sports have a combination of strength agility, speed, endurance. The point is you could be like these and the Neanderthals couldn't.

You talk as if being intelligent and being social are mutually exclusive. I think that theory is a huge leap of faith.

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Neanderthals weren't smart. Their tool industry was clunky, their culture marginal, and their capacity for not getting the snot knocked out of 'em minimal.
Basque's aren't too different from other Western Europeans. A stat on the Rh negative blood type comparing Basques to Americans is silly because America is populated by pretty much every European group except the Iberians. I do know, however, that patrilineally they display the same basic Old European Y-chromosome rates as some parts of Ireland, and largely comparable to the British Isles and Iberia in general. And they're language isn't Neanderthal; it's probably just the last remnant of the pre indoeuropean languages of Old Europe.
The Upper Paleolithic Revolution may have begun in Europe, but evidence on it is generally sparse. Nonetheless, it definitely was not due to neanderthals.
Evidence of H. Sapien and Neanderthalensis interbreeding is not, to my knowledge, widely accepted.

Let's see..any other disconnected random uncited factoids?
I think I read that actually Japan has the highest rate of PDD's in the world, which would be odd considering the hypothesis.

0_equals_true: I don't know about the kinds of agility that Basque sports involve, but Neanderthals were physical monsters compared to any modern human. Perhaps better to point out that Basques look just like a H. Sapiens sapiens, rather than the distinctive Neanderthal morphology?

On an unrelated note, did anyone see that it has been found that Neanderthals had red hair? (unfortunately, due to a different mutation) Not Basque, but... Irish?

Oh, and hi all.

Last I studied the Neanderthals I read that they weren't a different species from homo sapiens, they were homo sapiens from the Neander Valley. They looked the same as other homo sapiens too (the old concept picture were based on samples with severe rumitode atheritis and artistic impression). They didn't die out, rather they interbreed with other homo sapiens.

I have Germanic roots, so this fits... and a lot of autistics look alike... blue eyes, flat often wide Slavic faces, blond or light or reddish hair, the Neanderthal build... lots of Aspies look Scandinavian... many definitely look Germanic, most of them look German!

I'm mainly Russian, and I can't think of anyone in my entire family who does not fall somewhere within the autistic spectrum. Basically tons and tons of anti-social, intelligent, quirky people. In my dealings with people from eastern Europe (family and otherwise) this is fairly commonplace, and I've even been told by a quite a few people (especially the old-school emigrates) that this is why people in eastern Europe feel that western Europeans and Americans especially, are simply "too much". I've met plenty of people who think eastern Europeans are quite stand-offish, even rude. Some of this is simply pure ignorance of other cultures, but I tend to gravitate towards the idea that there may be something to it other than upbringing. Simply looking at my own (enormous) family, I can say that there is something definitely, undeniably and obviously genetic to way our brains are configured, and genetics, unlike personality traits (which AS is not) is something which gets passed on throughout generations. So I have to wonder, how far does this family trait go back?

I'm not sure if I can say anything regarding this speculative Neanderthal - Asperger's theory. I was under the impression that Neanderthals, much like other Humanoid species, are not the same as us.

Now Apollyon is starting to think about Mitochondrial Eve...

I think it might have to do with a mystic/priest caste within certain societies that evolved along with the rest of their group; oral traditions requiring rote memory skills, wordplay and mnemonics, poetry and rhyming.

I think this is why you see these traits in blacks as well as Celts, Scandinavians, Slavs and Jews - each had their own religious castes, as far as I can tell.

Wikipedia sez: Green eyes are the product of moderate amounts of melanin. They are most often found among people of North and Eastern European descent, and to a slightly lesser extent, in Southern Europe, the Middle East and parts of Central and South Asia. Green eyes are the rarest eye color ,only 1-2% of human population . Hungary is the country with the highest percentage of green eyed people, about 20%.

In Iceland 88% of the population have green or blue eyes.

Check it out: The Rus

Rus’ (Русь, [rusʲ]) are an ancient people whose name survives in the cognates Russians,[1] Rusyns, and Ruthenians, and who are viewed by the modern Belarusians, Russians, and Ukrainians as the predecessors of their own peoples.

According to the earliest East Slavic record, the Primary Chronicle, the Rus' was a group of Varangians among others like Swedes and Gotlanders who lived on the other side of the Baltic Sea, in Scandinavia and as far as the land of the English and the French.[2] The Varangians were first expelled, then invited to rule the warring Slavic and Finnic tribes of Novgorod:

The four tribes who had been forced to pay tribute to the Varangians — Chuds, Slavs, Merians, and Krivichs drove the Varangians back beyond the sea, refused to pay them further tribute, and set out to govern themselves. But there was no law among them, and tribe rose against tribe. Discord thus ensued among them, and they began to war one against the other. They said to themselves, "Let us seek a prince who may rule over us, and judge us according to custom. Thus they went overseas to the Varangians, to the Rus. These particular Varangians were known as Rus, just as some are called Swedes, and others Normans and Angles, and still others Gotlanders, for they were thus named. The Chuds, the Slavs, the Krivichs and the Veps then said to the Rus, "Our land is great and rich, but there is no order in it. Come reign as princes, rule over us". Three brothers, with their kinfolk, were selected. They brought with them all the Rus and migrated[3].

Later, the Primary Chronicle tells us, they conquered Kiev and created the state of Kievan Rus' (which, as most historians agree, was preceded by the Rus' Khaganate). The territory they conquered was named after them as were, eventually, the local people (see Etymology of Rus and derivatives for further details).

C.H.U.D.S.?

The nail in the coffin of that theory is that mDNA isnt subject to cross over. So the basques would have 99.99% the same mDNA as neanderthals... or H.Sapien. If it were the former, then there modern science wouldnt hold the belief that neanderthal is extinct.

Mitochondrial DNA is used for testing lineages, as it is passed mostly unchanged from mother to child. The rate of differences(from mutation) is fairly constant and is used as a distance of relation between two groups or individuals.

I'd also like to point out that there is a genetic link between the Basques and at least some Welsh/English. http://moderntribalist.blogspot.com/200 ... sques.html

Misconception. Their tools were more advanced than Sapiens.

Hence why American would probably have higher Rh- negative results than normal, there was a lot of immigration there.
Source please specifically saying that Basque language has no connection whatsoever to the the Neanderthals.


Source plz.


Because it goes against modern scientific theories about genealogy, but we all know that theories are being proven and disproved all the time, and science is always being improved. What we believe now will probably thought to be nonsense in 50 years anyway.


Indeed it is, but Japan is an extremely homogenized population, which makes it an odd one out. I don't know more detail than that.


Old Basque legend claims their ancestors, the original Basque, were hairy monsters.



The Basque and the Irish are actually very closely related. Oddly though, the Celtic and Basque languages have nothing to do with each other. Assuming that this theory is correct, I'd guess that the Basque were Neanderthals who accepted Sapiens into their tribe, while the Irish Sapiens who accepted Neanderthals into theirs.

Of course, I'm also skeptical about the theory myself, but I'm just playing my odd habit of devil's advocate.

I've often thought this myself. I relate quite strongly to the Neanderthal race and think it's a bit of propeganda that they are seen as dim-witted, hunched over, cavemen.

I have no problem being compared to one, and if it's found I'm genetically closer to them than most people, I'll actually be quite proud of that.

The same goes for me.

I should clarify that I did not mean that those ideas were only popular among white supremicists. Therefore I said that I do not know enough about these facts to have my own opinion. I realize my statement may have come across more strongly than I had intended. I did not mean to say anything inflamitory.

I was just trying to say that because similar ideas have been used to support the white supremicist view point, it was possible that some people might have the impression that that is the only context of the information. I was trying to point out that just because an idea is popular with people with certain views, it does not necessarily support those views or fail to work in other contexts. I appologize if I offended anyone, for that was not intentional.

Does that make more sense?

I should add that I agree with those who posted information that conflicted with my statement when it was taken out of context. I always appreciate information that can add to my knowledge or understanding.